Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA

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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA

Post by Seth » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:31 pm

Schneibster wrote:The reason is because the government covers disasters, because insurance companies can't afford to keep enough on hand to handle a hurricane.
No, insurance companies insure against some hurricane damage, but not other. For example, they will insure against wind, but not water, and not wind-driven water. Thus, if your roof is torn off, you get paid, but you don't get paid for the water damage to the contents. On the other hand, if you live in a flood-prone area and your home is washed away by storm surge, you aren't covered, unless you have federal flood insurance, which is mandatory for all federally-insured mortgages.

I had to have flood insurance on one of the houses on my ranch because I had a bank loan even though the house was on top of a cliff 40 feet above the maximum 500 year flood plain, which could easily be seen simply by standing on the bridge over the creek and looking up at the house. But FEMA refused to recognize this obvious fact because it had placed the street address within the flood plain because ANY PART of the property was in the flood plain. I finally convinced the bank to drop the requirement because it wasn't a federally-insured loan, but FEMA required a detailed flood elevation survey to certify what was visibly obvious, and I didn't feel like spending $800 on such a survey, and anyway none of the local surveyors would agree to provide such a survey for liability reasons.
So if we destroy FEMA, then if a hurricane comes and blows away our houses, we're fucked. See ya. Hope you know how to rebuild it sport 'cause there ain't no federal assistance comin' and the insurance company ain't responsible.
Sounds like a good reason not to live in a hurricane zone to me. Why should the rest of us pay for you to do so? And then pay again, and again, and again? Go live somewhere else or pay for your own perils.
"Get rid of FEMA" is like saying, "Let's fire all the firemen." Idiotic. We did private firefighters in San Diego in the wildfires; the lawsuits are still pending.
You forget (or probably never knew) that it's the states that have primary responsibility for disaster response and planning. Anything and everything FEMA does can be done better, more cheaply, and more efficiently at the state level. So instead of taking money from the states, sending it to Washington where they skim of a bunch to pay for the bureaucrats and their hooker parties, only to have the diminished amount sent back to the state when a disaster happens, let's just leave the money with the states and let them handle the disasters themselves, which they did for a couple of hundred years before FEMA came along.

Did you know that the majority of states pay an exorbitant amount of the FEMA disaster relief funding for the 11 states most prone to hurricane damage? Why should that be the case? Why shouldn't those 11 states pay MUCH higher taxes to fund their repeated need for hurricane disaster funds? Why shouldn't they be simply told "do not let anyone build a residence in a hurricane high-damage or storm-surge zone because FEMA will NOT provide disaster recover funds for any such structures"? We should do the same for flood-prone areas, like along the Mississippi. I'm fine with "we'll rebuild you ONCE, after that, you're on your own."
Another Libertardian scam.
Nah, FEMA is just another socialist/liberal/Democrat fuckwad scam.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA

Post by Seth » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:42 pm

Schneibster wrote:
Seth wrote:
Same principles apply everywhere.
Except that the US isn't an incredibly poor third world country. And these are economic principles. You know, about money 'n' stuff. Duh.
Nice mendacious and ethically bankrupt elision there. Here, let me restore the argument that makes yours just so much bilge flowing out of your ass:

If you have kids, you need to find a way to educate them at your own expense, or through the voluntary participation of others, not through coercive force of government. And if you care about your kids, you can do so even if you are as desperately poor as people in India, which almost no one in America is as poor as. The same principle applies in Bangladesh as in Boston. If you can't afford to educate your kids, don't have kids. If you have kids, find a way to educate them at your own expense, not on the public's dime, because it's your responsibility to raise them up to be better off than you are. And if you absolutely cannot, which is highly unlikely, given the fact that impoverished Indian parents can manage it, then ask for help from charitable organizations or businesses rather than using the blunt-force instrument of government to extract money from others against their will using machine guns.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA

Post by Schneibster » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:57 pm

Seth wrote:
Schneibster wrote:The reason is because the government covers disasters, because insurance companies can't afford to keep enough on hand to handle a hurricane.
No, insurance companies insure against some hurricane damage, but not other.
I wasn't necessarily talking about homeowners' insurance, or hurricanes.
Seth wrote:For example, they will insure against wind, but not water, and not wind-driven water. Thus, if your roof is torn off, you get paid, but you don't get paid for the water damage to the contents. On the other hand, if you live in a flood-prone area and your home is washed away by storm surge, you aren't covered, unless you have federal flood insurance, which is mandatory for all federally-insured mortgages.
Mmmmm-hmmmm. Go on.
Seth wrote:I had to have flood insurance on one of the houses on my ranch because I had a bank loan even though the house was on top of a cliff 40 feet above the maximum 500 year flood plain, which could easily be seen simply by standing on the bridge over the creek and looking up at the house.
But that's all the gummint's fault, right? You had to get a bank loan, though, and that's not the bank's fault, right?

Do go on. This is pretty amusing so far.
Seth wrote:But FEMA refused to recognize this obvious fact because it had placed the street address within the flood plain because ANY PART of the property was in the flood plain. I finally convinced the bank to drop the requirement because it wasn't a federally-insured loan, but FEMA required a detailed flood elevation survey to certify what was visibly obvious, and I didn't feel like spending $800 on such a survey, and anyway none of the local surveyors would agree to provide such a survey for liability reasons.
So, did you write your congresscritters and tell 'em?

Or just decide fuck all the people who live somewhere else, I'm gonna hate on FEMA?
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So if we destroy FEMA, then if a hurricane comes and blows away our houses, we're fucked. See ya. Hope you know how to rebuild it sport 'cause there ain't no federal assistance comin' and the insurance company ain't responsible.
Sounds like a good reason not to live in a hurricane zone to me.
I can think of several others. Matter of fact, I could have chosen to live anywhere I wanted- quite possibly still could if really pressed. And I don't. So I'd have to say I understand that statement.

However, I have resources that poor folks (and even not-so-poor folks) cannot muster, and they don't get to choose like that.

You do too, if you have a second building on property you need (and have!) a bank loan for.

But fuck 'em all, they're just brown people, right?
Seth wrote:Why should the rest of us pay for you to do so?
Would you prefer to pay for them to move?
Seth wrote:And then pay again, and again, and again? Go live somewhere else or pay for your own perils.
Remove the unfair restrictions you have put in the way of their freedom of movement and they might.

Pay your fucking way. Then those restrictions would not exist.
Seth wrote:
"Get rid of FEMA" is like saying, "Let's fire all the firemen." Idiotic. We did private firefighters in San Diego in the wildfires; the lawsuits are still pending.
You forget (or probably never knew) that it's the states that have primary responsibility for disaster response and planning.
Of course they do. Stop pretending I'm stupid.
Seth wrote:Anything and everything FEMA does can be done better, more cheaply, and more efficiently at the state level.
Only it turns out a cluster fuck when it's too big. Like Katrina. Or when asshole Libertardians get in the way. Like in San Diego in the wildfires. Or pRick Perry defunding the volunteer firefighters right before the biggest fire in state history.
Seth wrote:So instead of taking money from the states, sending it to Washington where they skim of a bunch to pay for the bureaucrats and their hooker parties,
They get arrested for shit like that, generally. Except in administrations that have people working for them who try to create a "permanent majority," because those people don't think anyone will ever come for them, because they're drinking their own Kool-aid.
Seth wrote:only to have the diminished amount sent back to the state when a disaster happens,
There's no limitation on how much the federal government might be liable for. That's what the federal government is for. That's a political science epic fail. Congratulations; that was spectacular:

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I award you one Hindenberg.
Seth wrote:let's just leave the money with the states
Which did so very well in Katrina according to you...
Seth wrote:and let them handle the disasters themselves, which they did for a couple of hundred years before FEMA came along.
When the population was much lower.

Oh, right, I'm not supposed to point out reality. My bad.
Seth wrote:Did you know that the majority of states pay an exorbitant amount of the FEMA disaster relief funding for the 11 states most prone to hurricane damage?
Do you know what "insurance" is? This is an epic economics fail. I award you:

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One additional Hindenberg.
Seth wrote:Why should that be the case?
Because the government is an insurance company with an army. Duh.
Seth wrote:Why shouldn't those 11 states pay MUCH higher taxes to fund their repeated need for hurricane disaster funds?
Why not just let all those brown people blow away back to Afurca or whatever? :ptoo:
Seth wrote:Why shouldn't they be simply told "do not let anyone build a residence in a hurricane high-damage or storm-surge zone because FEMA will NOT provide disaster recover funds for any such structures"?
Ummm, because they live there? Just sayin'. Whatcha gonna do, eminent domain them? I pity the poor fucker who tries to do that to you. No wonder you want to suppress the vote.
Seth wrote:We should do the same for flood-prone areas, like along the Mississippi. I'm fine with "we'll rebuild you ONCE, after that, you're on your own."
Yeah, because it's only brown people, right?
Seth wrote:
Another Libertardian scam.
Nah, FEMA is just another socialist/liberal/Democrat fuckwad scam.
I'm not sure you'd recognize a scam if you saw one; for that matter, I'm pretty sure you don't know the difference between a socialist, a liberal, and a Democrat. And that, my friend, is your third Hindenburg, awarded for the second time in the field of politics:

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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA

Post by Schneibster » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:01 pm

Seth wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
Seth wrote:
Same principles apply everywhere.
Except that the US isn't an incredibly poor third world country. And these are economic principles. You know, about money 'n' stuff. Duh.
Nice mendacious
So it's your position that the US is an incredibly poor third world country?

OK.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA

Post by Seth » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:10 pm

Schneibster wrote:
Seth wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
Seth wrote:
Same principles apply everywhere.
Except that the US isn't an incredibly poor third world country. And these are economic principles. You know, about money 'n' stuff. Duh.
Nice mendacious
So it's your position that the US is an incredibly poor third world country?

OK.
:doh: No, merely that if impoverished families in incredibly poor third world countries can manage to scrape together enough money to send their kids to private schools in order to avoid sending them to the incredibly poor public schools, then middle-class and poor parents in America can certainly scrape enough money together to send THEIR kids to private schools that are better than the Frankfurt School Marxist public schools that everyone else has to pay exorbitant amounts to unqualified union teachers to run.

There is nothing fundamentally different about American parents from Indian parents that would make American parents incapable of providing for their own children's educations at their own expense, other than perhaps their sloth, cupidity and selfishness.

There's no good reason why public schools in the US should even exist. Every school should be a private school funded by charity, business, or voluntary contributions from parents or members of the community who value such things, and the money should go to THE CHILD, to be spent at any school, secular or religious, that the parents choose for the child. This is true even if one accepts the notion that people should pay taxes to support publicly-funded education. Under NO circumstances should the government run the schools. That's a recipe for Marxist indoctrination and propaganda, as we see is the case currently.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA

Post by Schneibster » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:13 pm

Seth wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
Seth wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
Seth wrote:
Same principles apply everywhere.
Except that the US isn't an incredibly poor third world country. And these are economic principles. You know, about money 'n' stuff. Duh.
Nice mendacious
So it's your position that the US is an incredibly poor third world country?

OK.
:doh: No, merely that if impoverished families in incredibly poor third world countries can manage to scrape together enough money to send their kids to private schools
a) assumes facts not in evidence b) assumes that the conditions required in the particular third world country that you will cherry pick are enough like the US to make your comparison accurate, which I highly doubt. I will reserve judgement or I'd award you a hindenberg for economics. I suspect I will anyway, but I'll wait to see the "evidence" you present.
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