When is rape not rape?

[HomerJay]

If you get drunk or stoned and hand the care of your body over to someone else, it shouldn't be rape, it should be just desserts for your own stupidity.

Voluntary intoxication on the part of the alleged victim should be an affirmative defense to a charge of rape in court.

This is seriously insane, driven I'm sure from a male perspective of rape.

For this to be a universal principle you would have to widen it to include ALL crime, so getting drunk with someone means they can then commit any crime they like, cannibalism? fraud?

[Rum]

If you get drunk or stoned and hand the care of your body over to someone else, it shouldn't be rape, it should be just desserts for your own stupidity.

Voluntary intoxication on the part of the alleged victim should be an affirmative defense to a charge of rape in court.

This is seriously insane, driven I'm sure from a male perspective of rape.

For this to be a universal principle you would have to widen it to include ALL crime, so getting drunk with someone means they can then commit any crime they like, cannibalism? fraud?

I thought Seth was extreme in his views - unpleasantly so - but not quite loony fringe. Now we really know he is best ignored and I for one won't be responding to anything he posts. His response is truly disgraceful.

[pErvinalia]

I'm glad everyone around here is starting to get a proper picture of the true Seth. I can let you in on a secret - it's not the most disgusting thing I have ever heard him say.

[Evabot]

Remind me never to get drunk with Seth

Weren't we drunk the other night before bed and I was like "I'm going to rape you" and you said "No you're not" and I was like "you're right, I'm not"??!?!.....if me being stoned/drunk gives people an ok to rape me, I'm a walking target.

[charlou]

He'll be wanting you all to dress in a full body burka next, because obviously he can't be trusted to not exploit and abuse you, you vessel of sin.

[Hermit]

He'll be wanting you all to dress in a full body burka next, because obviously he can't be trusted to not exploit and abuse you, you vessel of sin.

Yes, Seth's opinion is akin to Sheikh Hilali's, the mufti of Australia, who - speaking about rape - said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park and the cats come and eat it -- whose fault is it? The cats or the uncovered meat?"

[Jason]

I've known Seth for a long time, I was the first person to get into it with him on RDF when he just joined up, and I think you might be selling him short. He often does this kind of thing - argues a point he doesn't believe to be true for reasons of his own. Most people just call him a troll or ignore him.

[HomerJay]

I hope if Seth ever gets drunk, someone is there to stick a broomstick up his arse.

[Hermit]

I've known Seth for a long time, I was the first person to get into it with him on RDF when he just joined up, and I think you might be selling him short. He often does this kind of thing - argues a point he doesn't believe to be true for reasons of his own.

He also argues points he firmly believes in. Are you claiming this is not one of them?

[rachelbean]

If you get drunk or stoned and hand the care of your body over to someone else, it shouldn't be rape, it should be just desserts for your own stupidity.

Voluntary intoxication on the part of the alleged victim should be an affirmative defense to a charge of rape in court.

This is seriously insane, driven I'm sure from a male perspective of rape.

For this to be a universal principle you would have to widen it to include ALL crime, so getting drunk with someone means they can then commit any crime they like, cannibalism? fraud?

The implications are so wide and varied one would have to believe Seth was actually slow to believe what he said. I am sure it was just more hyperbole in order to excite response

[Seth]

Don't get drunk with anybody you aren't willing to have inside you while you're unconscious is my advice.

Well.. this certainly sheds new light on the term 'drinking buddy'.

Don't drink with your mates unless you want them inside your cozy stiffly and proper. Oi! :S

Or, unless you can trust them completely to take care of you when you get blitzed. Choose your drinking buddies wisely.

[Seth]

Remind me never to get drunk with Seth

Don't get drunk with anybody you aren't willing to have inside you while you're unconscious is my advice.

Don't get drunk is the best advice.

I started to write a genuine reply but then remembered who you are. It doesn't matter, what you said is so monumentally stupid, I don't think it needs a rebuttal.

It's not stupid, it's common sense and logic, and acceptance of personal responsibility for one's own actions. If you hand over the care of your person to someone else by becoming voluntarily intoxicated, you need to take responsibility for that act and accept the consequences of that action. Going to a bar, getting hammered and heading off with someone of the opposite sex (who is also likely drunk) to their flat leads to a reasonable inference that you want to have sex with them, and that you like having anonymous, drunken sex.

It's perfectly reasonable to view drunken foreplay as permission to complete the act, even if you're unconscious at the time. You got blitzed, you went to the flat (or back seat, or alley, or wherever), you engaged in sexual foreplay like kissing and petting, and in doing so you raised a reasonable inference in your partner that you want to fuck. Just because you appear to like being fucked when you're comatose doesn't mean that you've withdrawn the permission you granted by being there in a state of voluntary intoxication in the first place.

Why would you expect anything else to happen?

Wise people don't get drunk and go home with random strangers. If you do, it's all on you, and I see no reason why your partner shouldn't presume consent unless you explicitly say that you do NOT want to have sex. If you're too drunk to protest, well, tough shit. Don't get drunk next time, but don't blame the guy for doing what you evidently wanted to do and never told him not to do.

[Svartalf]

Remind me never to get drunk with Seth

Or with me... I'll start by dosing you with alcohol, and then I'll try to convince you to let me dose you with bodily fluids.

[Svartalf]

Don't get drunk with anybody you aren't willing to have inside you while you're unconscious is my advice.

Well.. this certainly sheds new light on the term 'drinking buddy'.

Don't drink with your mates unless you want them inside your cozy stiffly and proper. Oi! :S

If Seth hang out with people like Seth, I can understand why he'd be worried.

You mean Randian bug buggerers?

[Svartalf]

Remind me never to get drunk with Seth

Weren't we drunk the other night before bed and I was like "I'm going to rape you" and you said "No you're not" and I was like "you're right, I'm not"??!?!.....if me being stoned/drunk gives people an ok to rape me, I'm a walking target.

That reminds me of the time I found myself sleeping in the same room as a comely young lady, she stated that it was hot and that she was going to sleep in her panties and nothing else, I asked her if she weren't worried that I might rape her, whereupon she stripped, laid down, and started mock snoring.

For some reason what happened next never made it to a court of justice.