The reality of UK government cuts

[Meekychuppet]

I wonder where the finger gets pointed when the next Baby P or Victoria Climbié case occurs??

My bet is that it will be someone from within the family.

It's not the job of HMG to stop family harming there kids - just to catch those that do. and punish them. No point throwing money at a problem that can never be solved. that's called socialism

Biggest child harm reduction measures that could be taken are:-

a) stopping child benefits
b) forcible adoptions for those without the ability to be a parent (druggies / long term jobless / social retards / criminals).
c) adoption from 6 weeks = a cute baby = easy to place. plus the kid is not yet broken.
d) More childrens homes - maybe not Little House on the Prairie - but at least the kids would have some chance
e) Prison. longer sentences = less breeding time.

Once kids stop having a £££ value to chavs they will stop having so many they don't really want. what they don't have they can't break.

If it was simply about the numbers of child lives / welfare per £ the budget would be better spent in Africa.

Of course throwing money and wishful thinking at a problem may work, if we just throw more. and yer own job depends on it.

Santa, do you realize that all you say here is "the society should be designed based on evidence-based assumptions about its worst members likely actions"? On the principle level, I am not convinced this is right.

On the utilitarian level I'm not convinced that stopping child benefits from everyone, because a small minority is misusing the funds they receive, is really the road to a society where the productive, "good" citizens are more likely to have (more) kids - and its those likely sane and productive kids that a society needs especially badly, if it is going to live beyond the current generation.

Why on Earth are you even replying to this idiot? He/she (I wager he) is so obviously trolling.

[Pensioner]

I wonder where the finger gets pointed when the next Baby P or Victoria Climbié case occurs??

My bet is that it will be someone from within the family.

It's not the job of HMG to stop family harming there kids - just to catch those that do. and punish them. No point throwing money at a problem that can never be solved. that's called socialism

Biggest child harm reduction measures that could be taken are:-

a) stopping child benefits
b) forcible adoptions for those without the ability to be a parent (druggies / long term jobless / social retards / criminals).
c) adoption from 6 weeks = a cute baby = easy to place. plus the kid is not yet broken.
d) More childrens homes - maybe not Little House on the Prairie - but at least the kids would have some chance
e) Prison. longer sentences = less breeding time.

Once kids stop having a £££ value to chavs they will stop having so many they don't really want. what they don't have they can't break.

If it was simply about the numbers of child lives / welfare per £ the budget would be better spent in Africa.

Of course throwing money and wishful thinking at a problem may work, if we just throw more. and yer own job depends on it.

I'm glad you posted that and not me as if I had done it I would have looked like a complete and utter cunt.

[Rum]

I wonder where the finger gets pointed when the next Baby P or Victoria Climbié case occurs??

My bet is that it will be someone from within the family.

It's not the job of HMG to stop family harming there kids - just to catch those that do. and punish them. No point throwing money at a problem that can never be solved. that's called socialism

Biggest child harm reduction measures that could be taken are:-

a) stopping child benefits
b) forcible adoptions for those without the ability to be a parent (druggies / long term jobless / social retards / criminals).
c) adoption from 6 weeks = a cute baby = easy to place. plus the kid is not yet broken.
d) More childrens homes - maybe not Little House on the Prairie - but at least the kids would have some chance
e) Prison. longer sentences = less breeding time.

Once kids stop having a £££ value to chavs they will stop having so many they don't really want. what they don't have they can't break.

If it was simply about the numbers of child lives / welfare per £ the budget would be better spent in Africa.

Of course throwing money and wishful thinking at a problem may work, if we just throw more. and yer own job depends on it.

I'm glad you posted that and not me as if I had done it I would have looked like a complete and utter cunt.

Well crafted sir!

[JimC]

There will always be a certain proportion of people getting either monetary benefits, or some other form of help from governments who are selfish, manipulative, and generally poor parents. This is not a valid reason for a wholescale reduction of government help to those in need, a move which benefits the rich, and is an ugly form of the ideology of social Darwinism.

However, I do suspect a more careful, unemotional look at both welfare rorting and child abuse could ultimately save some government money, and remove some children from hopeless situations. This is the rational response to problems in that area, not an absurd, draconian anti-welfare position. Not something that can be done, however, when experienced staff are being shed willy-nilly...

[Santa_Claus]

On the utilitarian level I'm not convinced that stopping child benefits from everyone, because a small minority is misusing the funds they receive, is really the road to a society where the productive, "good" citizens are more likely to have (more) kids - and its those likely sane and productive kids that a society needs especially badly, if it is going to live beyond the current generation.

The UK has the whole world to draw on for people. doesn't need to grow it's own. Those millions who have arrived over the last couple of decades are not immingrants. they are replacements (for both the born and never will be). Simply because UK has long since stopped being able to generate enough economically useful people (Rum - that's where the wealth to spend on wishful thinking comes from) to balance out those who used to die from War & Pestilence (on average, the stupid die first). Nowadays in the UK stupidity is not only bred, it's taught and learnt. Makes economic sense to stop making f#ck ups even if the price of that is less useful home grown ones. A plane ticket for an import is cheaper than a social worker.

Would be sad if it wasn't so funny

[Santa_Claus]

I on the other hand know the issues inside out as I have worked in one way and another with them all my working life.

So it's all fixed then?

Or maybe it's time to re-think the whole premise of what you have been trying to do?

Apologies if it means that involves saying to yourself "I've not only wasted my working life, but have made things worse". But maybe you are a fundamental part of the problem? Certainly sounds like you will still be around. On a personal level I don't wish you ill (or redundancy), but sometimes what folk think (and do) is "normal" and even "good" is just nonsense, no matter their personal intent also be honourable........I would have thought on an Atheist forum that concept might ring a bell

And whilst I am not going to give folk here chapter and verse on my work / business background, rest assured I have a wide experiance of organisations..........specialising in stupidity. and surprisingly hard to change - principally due to so many having a vested interest in how things are. and doing stupidity so long it becomes normal. Even when the trip off a cliff becomes inevitable (outside the public sector the money does sometimes stop) many folk still don't understand they were part of the problem.

people are fascinating. especially in groups - but I couldn't eat a whole one

And just to round off, and in the spirit of this thread -

[Pensioner]

On the utilitarian level I'm not convinced that stopping child benefits from everyone, because a small minority is misusing the funds they receive, is really the road to a society where the productive, "good" citizens are more likely to have (more) kids - and its those likely sane and productive kids that a society needs especially badly, if it is going to live beyond the current generation.

The UK has the whole world to draw on for people. doesn't need to grow it's own. Those millions who have arrived over the last couple of decades are not immingrants. they are replacements (for both the born and never will be). Simply because UK has long since stopped being able to generate enough economically useful people (Rum - that's where the wealth to spend on wishful thinking comes from) to balance out those who used to die from War & Pestilence (on average, the stupid die first). Nowadays in the UK stupidity is not only bred, it's taught and learnt. Makes economic sense to stop making f#ck ups even if the price of that is less useful home grown ones. A plane ticket for an import is cheaper than a social worker.

Would be sad if it wasn't so funny

Fucking verbal diarrhoea mate, and as for your comment "stupid die first" you must be struggling for breath.

[Santa_Claus]

Sorry. I don't talk to old people.

they smell of wee.

[Lozzer]

On the utilitarian level I'm not convinced that stopping child benefits from everyone, because a small minority is misusing the funds they receive, is really the road to a society where the productive, "good" citizens are more likely to have (more) kids - and its those likely sane and productive kids that a society needs especially badly, if it is going to live beyond the current generation.

The UK has the whole world to draw on for people. doesn't need to grow it's own. Those millions who have arrived over the last couple of decades are not immingrants. they are replacements (for both the born and never will be). Simply because UK has long since stopped being able to generate enough economically useful people (Rum - that's where the wealth to spend on wishful thinking comes from) to balance out those who used to die from War & Pestilence (on average, the stupid die first). Nowadays in the UK stupidity is not only bred, it's taught and learnt. Makes economic sense to stop making f#ck ups even if the price of that is less useful home grown ones. A plane ticket for an import is cheaper than a social worker.

Would be sad if it wasn't so funny

Fucking verbal diarrhoea mate, and as for your comment "stupid die first" you must be struggling for breath.

This.

[Rum]

Sorry. I don't talk to old people.

they smell of wee.

You sir, are an offensive little turd.

[Pensioner]

Sorry. I don't talk to old people.

they smell of wee.

You sir, are an offensive little turd.

I hope you do not think I'm offended by such comments rum, as long as he does say I own a cardigan, now that would be insulting.

[JimC]

Sorry. I don't talk to old people.

they smell of wee.

You sir, are an offensive little turd.

I hope you do not think I'm offended by such comments rum, as long as he does say I own a cardigan, now that would be insulting.

I am deeply, deeply hurt...

[charlou]

I am deeply, deeply hurt...

Jim

[Rum]

Sooooooooooo... things move on.

It seems if we apply for 'voluntary redundancy' we get 150% of the lump sum we would if we are made 'compulsorily redundant', more or less.

I am putting my application in this week. Three hundred people will be 'shed' from the service as of late February.

Government policy in action folks!

[Pensioner]

Sooooooooooo... things move on.

It seems if we apply for 'voluntary redundancy' we get 150% of the lump sum we would if we are made 'compulsorily redundant', more or less.

I am putting my application in this week. Three hundred people will be 'shed' from the service as of late February.

Government policy in action folks!

Thanks for your hard work and service rum in the public sector, I have appreciated folk like your self who have worked for the good of of us lesser beings.