All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:56 pm

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Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:44 pm
Ah, so you know something which you think is pretty useful but you don't want to actually talk about it, because, erm, reasons...

Is that another of these great insights we keep hearing about, eh?
I certainly don't here. It would cause upset.

If you wanted to discuss contraversial issues, there are many great platforms for that. I think facebook would probably welcome your thoughts.

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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:26 pm

Biden continues to unpick Trump's legacy as impeachment trial looms
New president has overturned Trump’s ban on transgender people serving in military as part of blitz of executive orders

Joe Biden has overturned Donald Trump’s ban on transgender people serving in the US military, earning praise from LGBTQ+ activists as he attempts to turn the page on his predecessor.

But Trump continues to cast a long shadow over Washington. On Monday the House of Representatives was poised to send an impeachment article to the Senate, setting the stage for a distractive and divisive trial of the former president.

Sworn in last Wednesday, Biden has signed a blitz of executive orders aiming to undo what he regards as harmful and intolerant aspects of Trump’s legacy. Trump’s transgender ban was a reversal of Barack Obama’s decision in 2016 to allow trans people to serve openly and receive medical care to transition genders.

When Trump announced the ban in 2017 on Twitter, he argued that the military needed to focus on “decisive and overwhelming victory” without being burdened by “tremendous medical costs and disruption”.

Biden has brought back the Obama policy. Signing an executive order in the Oval Office, he told reporters: “This is reinstating a position that previous commanders and [defense] secretaries have supported.

“And what I’m doing is enabling all qualified Americans to serve their country in uniform, and essentially restoring the situation as it existed before, with transgender personnel, if qualified in every other way, can serve their government in the United States military.”

Biden was joined by retired Gen Lloyd Austin, sworn in by vice-president Kamala Harris as the defense secretary on Monday, who supported overturning the ban. A report last year by the thinktank the Palm Center, co-authored by former military surgeons general, concluded that the ban had hurt military readiness.
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by JimC » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:04 pm

"So, what are our orders, General, sir - I mean ma'am...

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:11 pm

Sorry Jim. Cant laugh.
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:34 pm

Cunt wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:44 pm
Ah, so you know something which you think is pretty useful but you don't want to actually talk about it, because, erm, reasons...

Is that another of these great insights we keep hearing about, eh?
I certainly don't here. It would cause upset.

If you wanted to discuss contraversial issues, there are many great platforms for that. I think facebook would probably welcome your thoughts.

Here, it's mostly just for fun, at least for me. Well, that and enjoying every posted bollock.
The claim that you're just protecting people from upset sounds a lot like political correctness to me. :tea:
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:38 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:34 pm
Cunt wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:44 pm
Ah, so you know something which you think is pretty useful but you don't want to actually talk about it, because, erm, reasons...

Is that another of these great insights we keep hearing about, eh?
I certainly don't here. It would cause upset.

If you wanted to discuss contraversial issues, there are many great platforms for that. I think facebook would probably welcome your thoughts.

Here, it's mostly just for fun, at least for me. Well, that and enjoying every posted bollock.
The claim that you're just protecting people from upset sounds a lot like political correctness to me. :tea:
Yes. I've learned that some subjects can't be discussed here, without undue heat. It's not always easy to tiptoe properly.

If you did want to discuss certain subjects more openly, I can recommend some places. Sharfly looks hopeful but ineffective. Pocketnet shows a lot more promise, but isn't all that big yet.

I'm sure you have good sources and friends who disagree enough with you, that you can get all the discussion you wish. I know I do.
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:56 pm

Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:56 pm
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:44 pm
Ah, so you know something which you think is pretty useful but you don't want to actually talk about it, because, erm, reasons...

Is that another of these great insights we keep hearing about, eh?
I certainly don't here. It would cause upset.
So you keep linking to "GREAT ideas" and one right wing talking point after another without actually wanting to discuss them. Nice troll.
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Cunt » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:08 am

Hermit wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:56 pm
Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:56 pm
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:44 pm
Ah, so you know something which you think is pretty useful but you don't want to actually talk about it, because, erm, reasons...

Is that another of these great insights we keep hearing about, eh?
I certainly don't here. It would cause upset.
So you keep linking to "GREAT ideas" and one right wing talking point after another without actually wanting to discuss them. Nice troll.
If there is one of them you want to discuss, you are welcome to bring it up here (if it fits here)

I really like the podcast. I really like how they examined some of the issues. I appreciate your giving them a try. If you want to talk particulars, please do.

If not, what are you asking me? To list the ideas so that you can misunderstand my misunderstanding? No thanks. I know they are bolder than I am, about some delicate subjects. Biology is kind of unforgiving, and some connects to some current issues, from vaccines to transgender activism to racism. Three subjects I feel aren't easily discussed, but maybe that's mostly me.
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Seabass » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:12 am

I agree with this guy. Kill the filibuster. Kill it dead. Kill it with fire. Damn the torpedoes...

Joe Biden May Have Only Two Years to Get Things Done


Bumping Senator Mitch McConnell to the minority increases Joe Biden’s odds of passing his agenda, but there is a catch.

In the Senate in recent decades, the filibuster has morphed from the long-winded speeches portrayed by Jimmy Stewart in “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” into a silent but lethal tool that lets any one senator raise the threshold for passing bills from a simple majority (where the framers set it) to a supermajority of 60 votes.

The harsh reality is that when the dust settles on the chaos and violence that marked the end of the Trump presidency, Republican senators will have the same powerful incentives to deny Mr. Biden the 10 or so votes he will need, in addition to all 50 Democrats, to pass most bills in the Senate.

With Republicans needing just a handful of seats to take back majorities in the House and Senate, they will seek to make Democrats look feckless and ride voter discontent to gains in the 2022 midterms. In all but three times since 1914, the party that won the White House — in this case, the Democrats — loses House seats in the midterms. The next two years may be Mr. Biden’s best and perhaps only window to pass his agenda.

He can choose to avoid this fate, all while restoring the institution he spent 36 years in and empowering moderates. He and his fellow Senate Democrats can choose to reform the filibuster.

Mr. McConnell will run the same playbook on Mr. Biden that he ran on President Barack Obama: Just as Mr. McConnell realized that Mr. Obama’s political brand hinged on his promise to fix “the broken politics in Washington,” he knows that Mr. Biden’s relies on his ability to deliver bipartisan cooperation.

Mr. McConnell will come up with excuses not to work with the president that will sound lofty and politically valid. By the 2022 midterms, Mr. Biden’s pledges of bipartisan cooperation will lie in shambles.

Some commentators have argued for the use of end-runs around the filibuster like reconciliation. But they are harder than they look, and forcing bills to comply with reconciliation’s restrictive rules will probably lead to key provisions getting struck or force Democrats to try to change Senate rules anyway. More important, reconciliation cannot be used to advance critical policies necessary to repairing our democracy, like automatic voter registration and statehood for the District of Columbia. Nor can it be employed to pass many climate change policies.

The Senate’s paralysis has become accepted as normal. But the chamber was not meant to be a perpetual obstacle to new legislation — it’s important to look at history to see why it should be restored to its proper role.

The supermajority threshold of today flies in the face of the framers’ intent. They wanted the Senate to be a place where debate was thorough and thoughtful, but limited, and where bills passed or failed on majority votes when it became clear to reasonable minds that debate was exhausted. Originally, Senate rules included a provision allowing a majority to end debate, and an early manual written by Thomas Jefferson established procedures for silencing senators who debated “superfluous, or tediously.” Obstruction was considered beneath them.

For all of James Madison’s embrace of minority rights, he saw the complex system of government itself — not a Senate supermajority threshold — as the minority’s protection. Even without the filibuster, the United States government ranks high on the number of “veto players,” or checks on untrammeled majority rule, among modern democracies. Within this system of checks and balances, Madison believed, decision points on governing should be majority-rule.

The filibuster did not emerge until after the framers died. Its leading innovator was the South Carolinian John C. Calhoun. Seeking to protect slave owners against abolitionism, Calhoun envisioned a Senate where this powerful pro-slavery minority would have not just the voice Madison intended but a veto — or as he put it, “a negative on the others.”

To advance his vision, Calhoun forged the “talking filibuster” of popular imagination, marrying lofty defenses of minority rights with long-winded speeches. Radical as it was, the talking filibuster could only delay bills, since its practitioners eventually had to yield. Votes remained majority-rule into the 20th century. Many historic compromises on far-reaching legislation passed on majority-rule votes: the Missouri Compromise passed by just four votes; the Constitution itself hinged on majority-rule votes; the Great Compromise that created the Senate and saved the Constitutional Convention passed by a single vote.

The supermajority threshold now associated with the filibuster emerged in the Jim Crow era, when Southern senators used it to stop civil rights (and only civil rights) legislation. In 1917, the Senate created Rule 22 to “terminate successful filibustering,” giving a supermajority (today 60 senators) the ability to bring closure (or “cloture”) to a filibuster. Majority-rule votes remained the norm for all other legislation, but filibustering Southerners made this step of cloture — and its supermajority threshold — the standard for the dozen or so civil rights bills that passed the House and came before the Senate. So although Rule 22 was enacted to bring some constraint to filibusters, it ended up being wielded by Southerners as an effective veto of civil rights legislation.

Southerners inflated the minority’s right to unlimited debate with soaring oratory backed by intimidation from their monopoly of the Senate’s all-powerful committees, which controlled the prospects for legislation as well as senators’ careers. (At the time, most Southern members of Congress were Democrats, and they were sometimes in the majority of the chamber but in the minority on civil rights legislation, which had broad support.) Unlimited debate was a sacred principle only on civil rights; on the vanishingly rare occasion other issues faced filibusters, Southerners voted to end them. From the end of Reconstruction until 1964, the filibuster killed only civil rights bills.

After cloture was finally used to break a Southern filibuster in 1964, something unexpected happened: The filibuster and its supermajority threshold became normalized and streamlined to make the Senate’s expanding workload more manageable. Soon, any senator could invoke the supermajority threshold simply by registering an objection, which today can be done via email. In the hands of Senator McConnell, this user-friendly filibuster became a weapon of mass obstruction. Today, nearly every bill in the Senate faces it, and therefore must clear 60 votes.

The Senate never made a conscious choice to operate this way, and its leading lights denounced the decline of the upper chamber, many of them moderates. Horrified by Calhoun’s innovation, Henry Clay of Kentucky, the Great Compromiser, was the first to try to limit the filibuster. In 1957, the Eisenhower administration backed filibuster reform in an effort to pass civil rights, but was outmaneuvered by Southerners. In the mid-2000s, the constitutional case for restoring majority rule was laid out compellingly by Martin Gold, who had been chief counsel to the Republican Senate leader Howard Baker, and Dimple Gupta, who worked in the Justice Department under George W. Bush.

As these moderates of both parties saw, reform is necessary because Senate obstruction has evolved exactly as the framers feared when they warned against enabling a “pertinacious minority” to “control the opinion of a majority.” Calhoun’s vision of a minority veto has come to pass.

The key to reform is eliminating the minority’s ability to impose a supermajority threshold on legislation while still giving the minority a platform and making it easier for senators to bring bills and amendments up for votes.

For example, the Senate could require a Jimmy Stewart-style talking filibuster, not just an emailed objection, reviving debate and making the chamber a place where incentives align to produce thoughtful solutions. In such a Senate, the floor will be lively and moderates like Senator Joe Manchin, Democrat of West Virginia, and Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, would be kingmakers.

The most frequent objection is that such reform would make the Senate like the House. To the contrary, restoring floor debate and a basic ability to get things done would make the Senate the Senate again. The chamber’s fundamental purpose is to produce thoughtful solutions to the challenges we face, and its rules should exist not to entrench paralysis but to serve that goal.

In his memoir “A Promised Land,” Mr. Obama chronicles his regret that he “hadn’t had the foresight” to rally Senate Democrats to “to revise the chamber rules and get rid of the filibuster once and for all.” Because of his long Senate service, Mr. Biden has unique credibility to lead a successful push for reform. We can’t afford for the Senate to remain the place where good ideas go to die. We need to make the Senate great again.
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Hermit » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:40 am

Cunt wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:08 am
Hermit wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:56 pm
Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:56 pm
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:44 pm
Ah, so you know something which you think is pretty useful but you don't want to actually talk about it, because, erm, reasons...

Is that another of these great insights we keep hearing about, eh?
I certainly don't here. It would cause upset.
So you keep linking to "GREAT ideas" and one right wing talking point after another without actually wanting to discuss them. Nice troll.
If there is one of them you want to discuss, you are welcome to bring it up here
Present one (or more). I will not sieve through 90 minutes of conversation to find the nuggets that you regard as "GREAT ideas".
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Cunt » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:05 am

If you think Weinstein and Heying are going to have 'right wing talking points' you maybe don't know who they are...

I would rather take them at their word, but I understand why people have associated them with the right-wing. Bret W. self-identifies as 'far-left progressive'. I think Heather H. is near the same.

Nowadays, I think that makes them pretty far right.
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Post by Hermit » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:14 am

Cunt wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:05 am
If you think Weinstein and Heying are going to have 'right wing talking points' you maybe don't know who they are...
I don't know if Weinstein and Heying are going to have 'right wing talking points' precisely because I don't know who they are. Not that it matters anyhow. I'm trying to get you to identify the points in their 90 minute podcast where their GREAT ideas are expressed.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:42 pm

Sec. 2. Contracts with Privately Operated Criminal Detention Facilities. The Attorney General shall not renew Department of Justice contracts with privately operated criminal detention facilities, as consistent with applicable law.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... acilities/

He's also supposedly going to reinstate Obama's ban on some military equipment being sold to police. This is another area where Republicans don't make any sense. How is arming the police consistent with their beliefs about protecting freedom and liberty? Does their vision of a free community have tanks patrolling the streets?
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by JimC » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:48 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:42 pm
Sec. 2. Contracts with Privately Operated Criminal Detention Facilities. The Attorney General shall not renew Department of Justice contracts with privately operated criminal detention facilities, as consistent with applicable law.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... acilities/

He's also supposedly going to reinstate Obama's ban on some military equipment being sold to police. This is another area where Republicans don't make any sense. How is arming the police consistent with their beliefs about protecting freedom and liberty? Does their vision of a free community have tanks patrolling the streets?
In black areas, sure. Not in white suburbs, though, it would depress property values...
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Re: All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

Post by Tero » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:45 am

Red State (whoever they are) thinks making 200-400 000 a year is middle class:
Biden Commerce Secretary Nominee Suggests They Might Break a Pretty Important Campaign Promise
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