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You said they all claim self-defense. The fact is, they don't all do that. It is what it is. Again, your muddled thinking gets in the way, and you have a hard time typing what you mean.
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Coito ergo sum wrote:You said they all claim self-defense. The fact is, they don't all do that. It is what it is. Again, your muddled thinking gets in the way, and you have a hard time typing what you mean.
Yes Coito, they ALLLLLL claim self defense and they ALLLL wipe their ass front to back.


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Fortunately for everyone, you don't get to veto what other people do by way of patrolling the neighborhood. Unless someone doing so violates a law, they have an absolute right to do so whenever it pleases them to do so. Their authority to do so flows from the fact that the police power of government, under which the police are authorized to take action, flows from the people themselves. The right to enforce the law is an inherent right that all individuals have.maiforpeace wrote:I would be furious, as a member of a association or community if the police simply took it upon themselves to appoint a guy like Zimmerman as a neighborhood watchman, and/or Zimmerman took it upon himself as a member of my community to just decide that he was a capable person to police my neighborhood without my knowing, or my consent.
The only fundamental difference between a police officer and a citizen insofar as their ability to take action when a crime occurs in their presence is that unlike a police officer, a citizen is NOT protected by governmental immunity against false arrest charges if he acted reasonably but happened to be wrong that the person he arrested committed a crime when they did not.
But if another person commits a crime in your presence, you have (in most states) exactly the same authority to arrest, and to use force to effect that arrest, that a police officer has. You are then, of course, required to bring the arrested person before a judge or turn him over to the police.
And there is absolutely NOTHING that prohibits anyone from "patrolling" their neighborhood or being on watch for criminal activity. None whatsoever, including your dismay at the idea.
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Under Florida law you're indemnified against civil suit if the homicide is determined to be justified under the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground statutes. Martin's family cannot sue. Well, they could, but it would be dismissed immediately. He may not even face a jury - if his attorneys can convince the judge that he acted in self defense, he would not only be indemnified against civil suit, but against criminal prosecution. That isn't likely to happen, though, it's far too hot a political potato. They'll certainly try him, whether they manage a conviction remains to be seen.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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What does it take to "determine" that the homicide is justified? Presumably it hasn't happened yet?laklak wrote:Under Florida law you're indemnified against civil suit if the homicide is determined to be justified under the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground statutes. Martin's family cannot sue. Well, they could, but it would be dismissed immediately.
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Excuse me, I was Mr Squeaky Clean nerd at school!kiki711 wrote:
...And who in high school DID NOT smoke pot? Anyone?...

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JimC wrote:Excuse me, I was Mr Squeaky Clean nerd at school!kiki711 wrote:
...And who in high school DID NOT smoke pot? Anyone?...![]()
It was only at Uni I started to drink, consume drugs of various descriptions, and pursue women!



and since then you haven't stopped!


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Well, I have quit the drugs, and young women these days run faster than I can (and Bron would take a dim view anyway...)kiki5711 wrote:JimC wrote:Excuse me, I was Mr Squeaky Clean nerd at school!kiki711 wrote:
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It was only at Uni I started to drink, consume drugs of various descriptions, and pursue women!![]()
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and since then you haven't stopped!![]()
But other than that, I certainly haven't stopped!

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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05 ... n-he-died/Autopsy results reveal that Trayvon Martin had only two injuries on his body – a fatal gunshot wound and bloody knuckles.
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uh-oh.
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Not that it matters too much anyway. It's already been established that a fight took place.
family physician of zimmerman. what else is he going to say? can we have a NON biased report? such as from the medics or hospital he was treated in?A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
Not that it matters too much anyway. It's already been established that a fight took place.
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A family physician is to be assumed a liar? What's his motivation for risking his medical license to manufacture evidence in support of George Zimmerman? Is Zimmerman bribing him? He loves Zimmerman so much he'll diagnose a broken nose and black eyes and cuts, and claim to have administered certain care, and prescribe pain killers, all unnecessarily?kiki5711 wrote:also:family physician of zimmerman. what else is he going to say? can we have a NON biased report? such as from the medics or hospital he was treated in?A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
Not that it matters too much anyway. It's already been established that a fight took place.
Certainly, I would want some other physician's eval to corroborate, but, I feel your indictment of the physician for manufacturing evidence, falsifying a medical chart, prescribing unnecessary medications, and participating in a fraud on the court to be a tad bit excessive. And, what of Warren Dew's post above?
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He is going to jail, one way or the other.... http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/fbi ... ime/nN5pR/ FBI may charge him with a "hate crime." So, that would be a federal criminal prosecution in addition to the state prosecution.
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That would be the outcome of the trial, since he's mounting an affirmative defense. He's admitting he pulled the trigger, but contends he was justified in doing so under the SYG portion of the self-defense statutes. If he's acquitted the jury is, in effect, ruling the homicide was justified. That's how it should work, under the law, but given the political nature of the case almost anything is possible.Warren Dew wrote:What does it take to "determine" that the homicide is justified? Presumably it hasn't happened yet?laklak wrote:Under Florida law you're indemnified against civil suit if the homicide is determined to be justified under the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground statutes. Martin's family cannot sue. Well, they could, but it would be dismissed immediately.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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