We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Hermit » Mon May 29, 2017 11:10 am

mistermack wrote:
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mistermack wrote:So in certain wealthy hot countries, where the sun is reliable and people use (and can afford) a lot of air conditioning, solar can help to provide peak power.
Very good.

If people stuck to that argument, I would take them seriously.

Just don't keep pretending that it's on a par with fossil fuel, till it IS !!
You'd make an excellent opponent to the development of the horseless carriage. When Benz introduced it, it was less powerful than a horse, slower, less reliable and more expensive to run. The same argument can be made against the Wright Brothers' first demonstration of their heavier than air flight contraption. The time scale is different. The underlying principle is not.
So you're argument is that fossil fuel is shit at the moment, but you are hoping it will get better?
Where did you get that impression from? Fossil fuel was one of the greatest catalysts for economic and social progress, but it has two drawbacks: Resources are finite and it does monstrous damage to our environment. Hence longer lasting, less harmful sources for creating useful energy must be used and the technology to use them as well as the infrastructure to distribute the energy must be developed as quickly as feasible.

I don't know why you keep poohpooing any of this unless you are, as I alluded to, nothing more than a latter-day Luddite.
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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon May 29, 2017 12:28 pm

Even Texas as gone green with replacing oil with renewable's. If it was a country it would be 4th in the world for sustainability. Trump cant be happy about that.

It was on the Dutch news last night.
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Post by Animavore » Mon May 29, 2017 1:20 pm

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Pretty much.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon May 29, 2017 1:44 pm

Animavore wrote:Your time here is obviously coming to a close. Time to take the short holiday to Switzerland, methinks.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon May 29, 2017 1:50 pm

mistermack wrote:There's something missing in the renewable energy story, and it doesn't want to go away.
And that's continuity of supply.

Let me know when it's been solved, and I will take you seriously. But right now, every method of solving it involves the price going up dramatically.

If people compared the price of CONTINUOUS supply for renewable energy and fossil fuel, it would be a fair comparison. But they never do.

When you don't face facts head on, you don't deserve credibility.
The tides are always turning, the wind is always blowing, the sun is always shining, somewhere, and the Earth's core isn't likely to cool for quite a while. We all share a common interest in the planet's environment, and as such we all share a common custodianship and responsibility. The principle of 'My security is assured at the the price of your own' doesn't apply. A global approach and response to global issues is the only logical and practical way. Continuity of supply is a problem to overcome, not a reason to ignore the inevitable consequences of sitting on one's hands.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon May 29, 2017 1:53 pm

Big Solar paid you to say that, didn't they?? :nono:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon May 29, 2017 2:28 pm

'Big Solar' :funny:
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Post by DRSB » Mon May 29, 2017 7:33 pm

Why evangelicals love Donald Trump

MANY titles bestowed on Donald Trump—from president to commander-in-chief—are hard for non-supporters to digest. But the honorific that most puzzles the world, perhaps, is that bestowed by American conservatives who praise the swaggering, thrice-married tycoon as a man of God.

Expect that gulf of perception to grow still wider as Mr Trump embarks on his first presidential trip overseas on May 19th. Sceptics remember Candidate Trump stoking sectarian rage on the campaign trail. They remember a man who proposed a complete ban on Muslim arrivals and scorned Pope Francis as a Mexican “pawn” for questioning his immigration plans. Yet now White House aides call President Trump a leader bent on uniting the great faiths, who will bring a “message of tolerance and of hope to billions” during stops in Saudi Arabia, Israel and Rome.

Sceptics have long suspected that conservative Christians—and above all white evangelical Protestants, who are among his most loyal backers—are embracing the president for a mix of reasons, including worldly politics and tribal loyalties. Opponents assume that is why pious followers overlook such Trumpian sins as pride, wrath and bearing false witness (or fibbing, to use a layman’s term). They note that when Jerry Falwell junior, head of Liberty University, a Christian college, called Mr Trump a “dream president”, he listed achievements that straddle the realms of God and man, from his appointment of a conservative Supreme Court justice, Neil Gorsuch, to his vocal support for Israel.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon May 29, 2017 7:38 pm

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Post by JimC » Mon May 29, 2017 9:13 pm

mm is forced to oppose renewables because to support them would mean supporting one of the main reasons to push ahead with them and reduce fossil fuel use - the mitigation of global warming. As a denialist, he has painted himself into a rather tight little corner...
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon May 29, 2017 9:17 pm

He is a dinosaur just pure and simple like Trump. Oil is not important that is what is worrying him. The 70's have gone. He is just trying to go back there with his Saudi friends. Sorry that station has been passed.
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Post by Tero » Mon May 29, 2017 9:33 pm

Make your Cuba trips fast, Trump is going to block Cuba again
“I have no doubt that you’re going to see in short order a different policy,” the Cuban-American legislator added. Rubio tweeted in March that he is “quite confident” Trump will “treat [Cuba] like a dictatorship.”

The Florida senator also told El Nuevo Herald, “We’ve been walking through all these issues with the president and his team, figuring out the right steps to take and when.”

Sen. Menendez has not spoken on the topic since Trump became president, and a spokeswoman told TheDC she is unaware of these concessions from the Trump administration.

Diaz-Balart’s office did not respond to a media inquiry about behind-the-scenes work with the Trump administration, and a Rubio spokesman said he can’t provide TheDC with “anything at this time.”

The anti-embargo group told TheDC that Trump will announce these changes in a June speech in Miami. The White House also refused to confirm or deny this.

Kavulich said that the administration will enact “increased enforcement relating to travel,” and “a focus upon discouraging transactions with entities controlled by the Revolutionary Armed Forces (FAR) of the Republic of Cuba.”

Starwood Hotels & Resorts International currently has a hotel under management that is owned by a company controlled by the FAR, according to Kavulich.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon May 29, 2017 11:21 pm

Easy fix for Cuba. Get in touch with these two terrific, terrific businessmen . . .

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. . . set up a deal for 'Trump Casino/Hotel/Golf Resort Havana,' and relations should improve rather smart-like.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon May 29, 2017 11:26 pm

You can see the damage in their eyes. :tea:
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon May 29, 2017 11:50 pm

It's kind of secondary to the ridiculous Trump "Don't you ever forget I'm a bad-ass Master of the Universe" scowl, though.

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