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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:54 am

rEvolutionist wrote:If that's the case, then we (no, not me) should invade the cunts and end this shit before it gets properly serious. If there's no actual nuke threat (just yet), then make sure there can't ever be a nuke threat.
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Re: The fear of North Korea

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I reckon that there has to be a credible belief that they have weaponised them, or else something would be done to stop them. Surely?
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:56 am

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rEvolutionist wrote:If that's the case, then we (no, not me) should invade the cunts and end this shit before it gets properly serious. If there's no actual nuke threat (just yet), then make sure there can't ever be a nuke threat.
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by charlou » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:32 am

Tero wrote:They managed to hook a mouse to their missile computer!
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Post by JimC » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:09 am

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Tero wrote:They managed to hook a mouse to their missile computer!
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I think the sinister guy with glasses and sardonic smile in the background is the true power behind the throne... :?
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by Warren Dew » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:14 am

FBM wrote:Difficulty: Does NK have their nukes weaponized yet? Nobody believes they have mounted one on a rocket yet, and they won't be able to drop one from a plane...
Not quite nobody. I would be quite surprised if North Korea doesn't have one or two nuclear weapons mounted on rockets.

The issue is that they've never gotten those rockets to work yet. Still, even rockets that probably won't work are still a deterrent when there's an off chance they might work and take out Tokyo and Seoul.

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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by Warren Dew » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:34 am

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FBM wrote:Difficulty: Does NK have their nukes weaponized yet? Nobody believes they have mounted one on a rocket yet, and they won't be able to drop one from a plane...
Not quite nobody. I would be quite surprised if North Korea doesn't have one or two nuclear weapons mounted on rockets.

The issue is that they've never gotten those rockets to work yet. Still, even rockets that probably won't work are still a deterrent when there's an off chance they might work and take out Tokyo and Seoul.
I take that back. The shorter range Nodong missile appears to be fairly reliable, so I'd expect that's what they'd use. Tokyo would be out of range, but Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be in range - along with Seoul, of course.

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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by FBM » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:52 am

That missile that they successfully test-fired a month or two ago was a long-range one...
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by Warren Dew » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:08 am

FBM wrote:That missile that they successfully test-fired a month or two ago was a long-range one...
It wasn't successful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwangmy%C5 ... nd_failure

Unless you implicitly trust the North Korean press, of course.

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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by cronus » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:50 am

Maybe they've managed to get hold of a Chinese multi-warhead missile?

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hticbm/20120826.aspx
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by MiM » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:18 am

rEvolutionist wrote:I reckon that there has to be a credible belief that they have weaponised them, or else something would be done to stop them. Surely?
Nothing was done to stop them in 2006 or 2009, when definitely nobody believed they had a weaponised nuke :dunno: I believe the US has a bit of a trauma from previous fights in that area.

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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by cronus » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:24 am

MiM wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:I reckon that there has to be a credible belief that they have weaponised them, or else something would be done to stop them. Surely?
Nothing was done to stop them in 2006 or 2009, when definitely nobody believed they had a weaponised nuke :dunno: I believe the US has a bit of a trauma from previous fights in that area.

Don't forget China. I believe much depends on how they react.
The entire thing stinks of a trap the USA is walking into, with both Russia and China aware of the fragility of the dollar...they may want to dovetail a dollar crash with their own internal interests. Anyone know what this will do to the East Asian stock markets short-term and how that will effect the US ability to obtain international credit? :coffee:
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by rainbow » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:29 am

rEvolutionist wrote:I reckon that there has to be a credible belief that they have weaponised them, or else something would be done to stop them. Surely?
What should be done about stopping the US from having weaponised missiles?
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by FBM » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:48 am

Warren Dew wrote:
FBM wrote:That missile that they successfully test-fired a month or two ago was a long-range one...
It wasn't successful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwangmy%C5 ... nd_failure

Unless you implicitly trust the North Korean press, of course.
Now I remember. It was the one they used to put that satellite in orbit.
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Re: The fear of North Korea

Post by FBM » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:32 am

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 01025.html

Hackers Bust N.Korean Propaganda Site


International hacker group Anonymous on Thursday broke into Uriminzokkiri, a North Korean website that spreads propaganda from North Korea's official KCNA news agency.

The hacker collective released the personal information of the website's 9,001 subscribers, including their ID and password, name, date of birth and other details.

The South Korean National Intelligence Service said, "Many of the leaked details on the website match those of South Koreans."

Police are taking a keen interest. A National Police Agency spokesman said, "A considerable number of people who want to access information about North Korea are registered on Uriminzokkiri. If they have carried out any pro-North Korean activities such as spreading articles from the site or posting pro-North Korean comments, we will take actions since that violates the National Security Law."

The site, which is run by North Korea's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland, is blocked in South Korea but can be accessed using proxy servers.

Anonymous in a statement on Tuesday urged North Korea to stop developing nuclear arms and threatening the world with nuclear weapons, and called for Kim Jong-un to step down. It also warned of a "cyber war."

Pyongyang did not react to the hacker attack, which also targeted other North Korean websites. A South Korean security official said, "Given the nature of North Korean system, where decision-making takes a long time, there's unlikely to be any official comment till the weekend."

But North Korea experts say the attack must have hurt. Besides the identity theft, the hackers also managed to keep a satirical image showing Kim Jong-un as a pig with a Mickey Mouse tattoo on the front page of the website all day.

North Korea also suffered cyber attacks from unknown sources on March 13 and 14. Access to websites with servers in North Korea including the Rodong Sinmun, North Korean Central News Agency and Naenara was disabled.
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