Tottenham Riots

[Atheist-Lite]

I've got the answer. Now Crumple is a lateral thinker and many here want neat logical answers that don't involve themsleves. That are comfortable reflections of their flimsy half-liberal values. The real answer is to return to a 'slave owning society' and for everyone over a certain income threshold to 'own' a slave which will create a direct moral and social linkage between the haves and the have-nots. The 'slave' will be used to do many of the mundane menial choirs, allowing more free time, and can be paid by a combination of lowered benefits from general taxation & tips. This idea could be expanded also allowing 'sustainable' small farm holdings to develop and remove some of the need for mass food transit.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

I've got the answer. Now Crumple is a lateral thinker and many here want neat logical answers that don't involve themsleves. That are comfortable reflections of their flimsy half-liberal values. The real answer is to return to a 'slave owning society' and for everyone over a certain income threshold to 'own' a slave which will create a direct moral and social linkage between the haves and the have-nots. The 'slave' will be used to do many of the mundane menial choirs, allowing more free time, and can be paid by a combination of lowered benefits from general taxation & tips. This idea could be expanded also allowing 'sustainable' small farm holdings to develop and remove some of the need for mass food transit.

I think you'll find that this is already in place - with the exception of the small farm holding bit.

[charlou]

I've got the answer. Now Crumple is a lateral thinker and many here want neat logical answers that don't involve themsleves. That are comfortable reflections of their flimsy half-liberal values. The real answer is to return to a 'slave owning society' and for everyone over a certain income threshold to 'own' a slave which will create a direct moral and social linkage between the haves and the have-nots. The 'slave' will be used to do many of the mundane menial choirs, allowing more free time, and can be paid by a combination of lowered benefits from general taxation & tips. This idea could be expanded also allowing 'sustainable' small farm holdings to develop and remove some of the need for mass food transit.

I think you'll find that this is already in place - with the exception of the small farm holding bit.

Ahhh.

Yes.

[Atheist-Lite]

Maybe need more rich people to make it viable on a large enough scale to cope with the issue. I suppose I could become rich if I put the effort in, although it does require more effort if I'm doing this all alone? Now whose got all the money? Ah! The very rich and wealth inheritors. I think that should be our primary target?

[Rum]

I want things to return to a time when if you saw a young yob throwing a used sandwich package onto the ground you could say 'Pick that up NOW' and he would be frightened enough to do it instead of stabbing you.

[Tyrannical]

Russian senator blames failure of multiculturalism for riots.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110810/165689766.html

"I think the events occurring in the English cities have at least two reasons. One is fundamental: it's the death of multiculturalism, a eulogy which the heads of Germany, France and Great Britain have recently delivered. The value of tolerance, or in other words the value of difference, has been accepted neither by 'indigenous' Europeans nor by immigrants," Margelov said. "The two sides merely tolerate each other. And patience is the kind of thing that runs out from time to time."

Margelov said, "the foolishness with which Europe regards its historical past has led to the filling of its cities with migrants from the former 'Third World,' many of whom do not give a damn about not only European values, but simply about the rules of conduct on the streets of Paris, Brussels, London, and Cologne."

The common "myth of responsibility" in Europe toward third world countries and their migrants does not promote tolerance, Margelov said, as Europeans have to work both for themselves for those from the third world, who may "not give a damn" about European values and laws.

"The Myth of responsibility compels European governments to put migrants on social allowances, but it does not promote tolerance. The French, Belgians and English should work not only for themselves but also for a guy who came from the third world with children and household," the senator said.

"Migrants will not be easily taken away from the European social 'freebie' and sent back home," Margelov said. "Therefore, there is no escape from the riots there, even if the present British Cabinet resigns, which is problematic, by the way."

Rivers of Blood may well be the end game, just like Enoch Powell predicted.

[Atheist-Lite]

There's more going on than meets the camera lens. Russia's turn in these worldwide riots, these social tremors before global societal collapse, is coming.

[Audley Strange]

@Crumple Its a wonderful idea, the only problem being that actually getting rid of slavery and hiring the workers was actually more cost efficient because keeping slaves healthy and alive is more costly than flinging half a pittance at them and making them blow it all on digs and scoff. Same with indentured servitude. You thought slavery was abolished because it was immoral, it got in the way of profit.

The problem is being approached if is is an economic one, I'm not sure it is. (Unless it's an example of actual trickle down economics.)

I'm more convinced it about authority and guidance. In the last years we've seen our banks revealed as dangerously corrupt and self serving. The politicians seemed dangerously corrupt and self serving. Even the police and the media seems corrupt and self serving.

Why would ANYONE with half a brain consider them legitimate? The breeched their part of the social contract to ransack the state, publicly and without shame. The populace get fucked in the ass and take it for the pretence of economic stability.

Think about this, our leaders let packs of kids with phones outwit them and hold our cities hostage at night. The barbarians are not at the gates, we've cultivated them and the sad thing is we in our apathy let them be motivated by assholes as dumb as they are. Still even being that asocial and illiterate, they're not as stupid as to think that centrist liberalism will save them if they put an x in a box every half decade.

Those kids might be criminally greedy and irresponsible, but from their friends, parents schools all the way to police pulpit and parliament all they have been exposed to is greed, corruption and a lack of responsibility. We can't just blame parents or poverty for this. Unless its to blame the poverty of direction, the cultural decay that our society displays from the top to the bottom.

[JimC]

I want things to return to a time when if you saw a young yob throwing a used sandwich package onto the ground you could say 'Pick that up NOW' and he would be frightened enough to do it instead of stabbing you.

I have that at my school right now!

(but of course this would be because of respect for kindly old Mr C, not fear... )

But not on the streets of Melbourne, tis true...

[Rum]

I want things to return to a time when if you saw a young yob throwing a used sandwich package onto the ground you could say 'Pick that up NOW' and he would be frightened enough to do it instead of stabbing you.

I have that at my school right now!

(but of course this would be because of respect for kindly old Mr C, not fear... )

But not on the streets of Melbourne, tis true...

Respect is preferable to fear I grant you, however a great deal of respect is, arguably, based on fear.

[Tyrannical]

@Crumple Its a wonderful idea, the only problem being that actually getting rid of slavery and hiring the workers was actually more cost efficient because keeping slaves healthy and alive is more costly than flinging half a pittance at them and making them blow it all on digs and scoff. Same with indentured servitude. You thought slavery was abolished because it was immoral, it got in the way of profit.

Since slaves were property, they held intrinsic value. Cheap replaceable "free" laborers held no value except for the work they produced, and since you hired them instead of purchasing them they represented no long term investment. If a slave "broke" you may be out several hundred dollars to replace it. If a "free" laborer broke, you just post a new want add. Kind of like how people abuse the hell out of rental cars.

[JimC]

I want things to return to a time when if you saw a young yob throwing a used sandwich package onto the ground you could say 'Pick that up NOW' and he would be frightened enough to do it instead of stabbing you.

I have that at my school right now!

(but of course this would be because of respect for kindly old Mr C, not fear... )

But not on the streets of Melbourne, tis true...

Respect is preferable to fear I grant you, however a great deal of respect is, arguably, based on fear.

From the young to the "elders of the tribe", the derivation of the attitude will be a complex mixture, IMO...

In the past, the elders could make things quite unpleasant for you, hence some fear in the mix. However, they could also show you how to knap flints, tell tou when the purple berries ripened, show you where to hunt a cetain species, and tell amazing stories around the fire at night. Hence the respect...

[Atheist-Lite]

I'm not sure I'd like to see the American version of slavery universally adopted but the Roman version could become humane with a few minor tweeks. The idea that slaves can earn their freedom would be central to preventing a modern variant becoming a pure sub-dom game.

[Tyrannical]

I'm not sure I'd like to see the American version of slavery universally adopted but the Roman version could become humane with a few minor tweeks. The idea that slaves can earn their freedom would be central to preventing a modern variant becoming a pure sub-dom game.

Slavery is only really beneficial to the slave owner. It's existence pushes a freeman's wages down and increases poverty.

[Atheist-Lite]

I'm not sure I'd like to see the American version of slavery universally adopted but the Roman version could become humane with a few minor tweeks. The idea that slaves can earn their freedom would be central to preventing a modern variant becoming a pure sub-dom game.

Slavery is only really beneficial to the slave owner. It's existence pushes a freeman's wages down and increases poverty.

There's a natural balance - Rome stood for eight hundred years, and the weather did for it not slavery.