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Post by Svartalf » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:20 pm

Tero wrote:
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well, if I come down with flu like symptoms, odds are it's not the flu since I've been vaccinated for several months.
You are only cutting off 2/3 of infection chances:
A 2012 meta-analysis found that flu vaccination was effective 67 percent of the time; the populations that benefited the most were HIV-positive adults aged 18 to 55 (76 percent), healthy adults aged 18 to 46 (approximately 70 percent), and healthy children aged six to 24 months (66 percent).
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It's served me rather well since the NHS started giving it to me. before that I used to suffer from 1 to 3 bouts of flu every year . Now its usually none, except last year.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:30 pm

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Svartalf wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:20 pm
Tero wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:24 pm
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 pm
well, if I come down with flu like symptoms, odds are it's not the flu since I've been vaccinated for several months.
You are only cutting off 2/3 of infection chances:
A 2012 meta-analysis found that flu vaccination was effective 67 percent of the time; the populations that benefited the most were HIV-positive adults aged 18 to 55 (76 percent), healthy adults aged 18 to 46 (approximately 70 percent), and healthy children aged six to 24 months (66 percent).
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It's served me rather well since the NHS started giving it to me. before that I used to suffer from 1 to 3 bouts of flu every year . Now its usually none, except last year.
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Post by Cunt » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:41 pm

Is it true the National Guard has been activated in every US state? Does that mean some sort of enforced quarantine? Their site tells me I'm fit enough, but too old (probably being in a foreign country also gives me a downcheck) but it doesn't have announcements of that sort.
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Post by Tero » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:54 pm

It means nothing. 20 000 will die before Trump allows a quarantine.

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Post by Cunt » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:58 pm

Good of you to blame Trump. I didn't know you thought he was guilty.
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Post by Tero » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:05 pm

Yes, Trump is guilty. Presidents must undertake unpopular measures. Even if it loses the election. In fact, that is a good reason to limit presidents to 4 years.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:18 pm

I was on the bus on my way back to town today, reading my book on my phone and minding my own business, when the bloke in front of me started coughing - like really hacking it up. People were already standing but as it went on the woman next to him stood up and other passengers tried to back away a bit. And the chap next to me stood up too and tried to move back down the bus. The guy was having a real gasping, coughing fit. The bus seemed to become very quiet. He was putting his hand up and was obviously trying to say something. After a little while the coughing subsided, and he croaked out, "It's OK folks... just choking on a mint... went down the wrong way!" There was a small round of spontaneous nervous laughter. I guess we were all thinking the same thing. Still, the two standing passengers didn't sit back down again - caught in their own awkwardness I guess.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by JimC » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:18 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:20 pm
Tero wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:24 pm
Svartalf wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 pm
well, if I come down with flu like symptoms, odds are it's not the flu since I've been vaccinated for several months.
You are only cutting off 2/3 of infection chances:
A 2012 meta-analysis found that flu vaccination was effective 67 percent of the time; the populations that benefited the most were HIV-positive adults aged 18 to 55 (76 percent), healthy adults aged 18 to 46 (approximately 70 percent), and healthy children aged six to 24 months (66 percent).
Wiki
It's served me rather well since the NHS started giving it to me. before that I used to suffer from 1 to 3 bouts of flu every year . Now its usually none, except last year.
Exactly the same for me, haven't had the flu since I started getting vaccinated. We got it free at work (which was sensible for a school), and now, being over 65, I get it free from the government!

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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by JimC » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:22 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:18 pm
I was on the bus on my way back to town today, reading my book on my phone and minding my own business, when the bloke in front of me started coughing - like really hacking it up. People were already standing but as it went on the woman next to him stood up and other passengers tried to back away a bit. And the chap next to me stood up too and tried to move back down the bus. The guy was having a real gasping, coughing fit. The bus seemed to become very quiet. He was putting his hand up and was obviously trying to say something. After a little while the coughing subsided, and he croaked out, "It's OK folks... just choking on a mint... went down the wrong way!" There was a small round of spontaneous nervous laughter. I guess we were all thinking the same thing. Still, the two standing passengers didn't sit back down again - caught in their own awkwardness I guess.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:27 pm

I think it's fair to say that things are in a state of flux at the moment. Certain things at the planning stage while others are sorted and in place, but whether they go ahead or not is another thing entirely.

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Post by JimC » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:30 pm

We'll probably need to get creative in terms of what small numbers of people can do to have dramatic effect. I'm hoping our small XR group's street theatre outside the Siemens office will still go ahead next Friday - I want those Grim Reaper scythes to be used!
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Post by Tero » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:04 pm

I canceled all my senior birder outings till May. I may just have a couple of unannounced trips in May. I have a mailing list and if I get another leader, I can have two groups of 3-4 plus the leader, for May. We are under the uni and they cancelled all these "groups" that meet in cafes to May.

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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:06 pm

laklak wrote:
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For comparison, here's the current 2019 /2020 flu season statistics for the U.S.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm

39,000,000 - 42,000,000 cases
16,000,000 - 23,000,000 doctor visits
350,000 - 620,000 hospitalizations
20,000 - 52,000 deaths.

If this thing spreads as easily as the flu and has the lethality rates we've seen so far we're in trouble. Even at one percent and the lower number of cases that's 390,000 dead.

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Keep in mind that we don't quarantine thousands of people during the flu season. The quarantining and cancelling of major events will help slow corona down.
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