Will you accept the election results?

[Jason]

Propagate the unsubstantiated claims that are supportive of your agenda while demanding evidence for those that do not of course. Welcome to our post-truth Machiavellian global society.

[pErvinalia]

Your argument is a dog's breakfast. You are claiming that the CIA etc are political (they're not), and that it serves some political purpose to cast their incoming boss as illegitimate and potentially in debt to a foreign power. That's farcical reasoning.

I'm saying that I don't believe what they say without evidence.

I know you are. But you are also positing a potential theory for why they might have made it up that is nonsensical.

And, fuck off, dude. You're practice is to accept ever allegation that supports your own political view. You reject everything else. You wouldn't accept this kind of report if it was leveled at Hillary Clinton, and you know it. You only accept it based on whose ox is being gored. You know it, and everyone else knows it.

Jesus you are full of shit. Where have I said that I accept this report? Once again you show that you can't follow a simple debate.

[Forty Two]

Your argument is a dog's breakfast. You are claiming that the CIA etc are political (they're not), and that it serves some political purpose to cast their incoming boss as illegitimate and potentially in debt to a foreign power. That's farcical reasoning.

I'm saying that I don't believe what they say without evidence.

I know you are. But you are also positing a potential theory for why they might have made it up that is nonsensical.

Look, you asked for speculation. I've told you I don't know what they're thinking. I've told you they could have many different reasons to lie, and one might be the the CIA director's loyalty to Obama. I have no idea. I've told you I'm not privy to the information, and one of the things about the CIA is they are sometimes liable to do things for reasons we wouldn't find apparent.

I don't CARE what their motive is. I don't believe what they say without evidence. Period. YOU seem to care what their motive is because you seem to claim that if we can't show a motive to fabricate, then we should believe them. Well, if that's your argument (and you can tell me if it is -- I'll state right here that you SEEM to be claiming that, based on what I've read, but I'll let you make your own argument - so can the bullshit "you're strawmanning me" whine).

Whatever you're judging the truth value on is whatever you're judging it on. You can tell us -- why do you believe them? Or, do you believe them? And, if so, why?

And, fuck off, dude. You're practice is to accept ever allegation that supports your own political view. You reject everything else. You wouldn't accept this kind of report if it was leveled at Hillary Clinton, and you know it. You only accept it based on whose ox is being gored. You know it, and everyone else knows it.

Jesus you are full of shit. Where have I said that I accept this report? Once again you show that you can't follow a simple debate.

Oh for the love of Pete, you cockknocker. You're such a dishonest prick.

[pErvinalia]

Reported. Show where I said I support this report, or fuck off.

[Brian Peacock]

Forty Two,

Calling another member fucknutted and a cocknocking dishonest prick is a personal attack and doesn't sit well with the play nice ethos we hope to encourage here.

Please reign it in a bit if you'd like to avoid an enforced posting holiday.

Brian.

[Tero]

This just in!
60million people voting for Republican candidate Trump were discovered to be Republicans!

[Scot Dutchy]

This just in!
60million people voting for Republican candidate Trump were discovered to be Republicans!

That must have been a shock?

[JimC]

This just in!
60million people voting for Republican candidate Trump were discovered to be Republicans!

That must have been a shock?

To me it was. I thought they would have been discovered to have been from an obscure primitive tribe...

[Svartalf]

Eh no, the US are no enlightend country, in spite of the veneer they try to maintain

[Brian Peacock]

Bollocks. I'm no fan of Trump or the views he represents but the country that gave us modernism, Jazz, the cinematic art form, the Blues, Rock'n'Roll, Louis Armstrong, R C Gorman, Coltrane, Scorsese, Bill Bronzy, Kerouac, Elvis, Hemmingway, John Rawles, Chuck Berry, Pollock, Georgia O'Keeffe, Dylan, Walter Mosely, Ellington, Kubrick, Muddy Waters, Lovecraft, Michael Graves, Michael Jackson, and so on and so forth (and that's just a few off the top of my head), puts the lie to the assumption that the US is a kind of social or cultural backwater populated by doltish ignoramuses who wouldn't know an enlightened thought if it were emblazoned in 40ft high neon letters.

[JimC]

Bollocks. I'm no fan of Trump or the views he represents but the country that gave us modernism, Jazz, the cinematic art form, the Blues, Rock'n'Roll, Louis Armstrong, R C Gorman, Coltrane, Scorsese, Bill Bronzy, Kerouac, Elvis, Hemmingway, John Rawles, Chuck Berry, Pollock, Georgia O'Keeffe, Dylan, Walter Mosely, Ellington, Kubrick, Muddy Waters, Lovecraft, Michael Graves, Michael Jackson, and so on and so forth (and that's just a few off the top of my head), puts the lie to the assumption that the US is a kind of social or cultural backwater populated entirely by doltish ignoramuses who wouldn't know an enlightened thought if it were emblazoned in 40ft high neon letters.

Fixed...

[Brian Peacock]

Thanks mate.

[Svartalf]

meh, they have a system that let the doltish ignoramuses elect the most powerful man on earth over the head of a majority of people, and the precise kind of guy the system was supposed to protect the country against... I don't call that enlightened at all.

[Brian Peacock]

Hmm. Maybe. By the failings of the system are not necessary the failing of the people who have to engage with or participate in the system.

[Svartalf]

When they stop believing in the bible literally, maybe I'll trus Merkins again