BREXIT! BREXIT! BREXIT!

[Hermit]

...of the 16 million who voted remain in 2016 ... 1.4 million would vote for May’s deal

WTF?

[Brian Peacock]

I guess they're thinking something like - I didn't vote for it, but we've had a referendum so better the governemnt's deal than no-deal.

[Hermit]

Looking at the survey itself, I find this bit (page 9) interesting:
The question was asked: "In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?" 5% of the remainers now think Britain was right vote to leave the European Union and 9% of the leavers now think it was wrong. The net difference means that the swing toward remaining has not exactly rocketed. "Remain" has improved, but does not have a commanding lead. The Guardian's article is a bit of a beatup.

[rainbow]

Looking at the survey itself, I find this bit (page 9) interesting:
The question was asked: "In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?" 5% of the remainers now think Britain was right vote to leave the European Union and 9% of the leavers now think it was wrong. The net difference means that the swing toward remaining has not exactly rocketed. "Remain" has improved, but does not have a commanding lead. The Guardian's article is a bit of a beatup.

There wasn't a commanding lead for leave in the Referendum.

[Hermit]

Looking at the survey itself, I find this bit (page 9) interesting:
The question was asked: "In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?" 5% of the remainers now think Britain was right vote to leave the European Union and 9% of the leavers now think it was wrong. The net difference means that the swing toward remaining has not exactly rocketed. "Remain" has improved, but does not have a commanding lead. The Guardian's article is a bit of a beatup.

There wasn't a commanding lead for leave in the Referendum.

Correct.

[Scot Dutchy]

It does not matter. What anyone thinks. The ones having the say are Brexiteers and they (including May) are protecting their money. So wind down to a no deal. They could not give a fuck about the country as they will be gone like the rats you described above Brian. Maybe is that what Corbyn dreams of. A wreck of a country he can run with his shop's committee.

[Brian Peacock]

Looking at the survey itself, I find this bit (page 9) interesting:
The question was asked: "In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?" 5% of the remainers now think Britain was right vote to leave the European Union and 9% of the leavers now think it was wrong. The net difference means that the swing toward remaining has not exactly rocketed. "Remain" has improved, but does not have a commanding lead. The Guardian's article is a bit of a beatup.

I think the poll is interesting for a number of reasons, but mostly because it offers some context to the government's resistance to a second referendum bases around a choice between the negotiated deal, no-deal, or remaining in the EU, and the opposition's pathological fence-sitting. It's either too close to call, or with both leader's fortunes resting on the fact that they both support Brexit -- May 'officially' for political expediency and Corbyn 'on principle' -- their own polling suggests they're both most likely on the wrong side of the argument as far as the public are concerned.

[Scot Dutchy]

It is simply money Brian and nothing else. They dont care about a second referendum. They dont even care about the tory party. Get their money safe.

[Hermit]

Looking at the survey itself, I find this bit (page 9) interesting:
The question was asked: "In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?" 5% of the remainers now think Britain was right vote to leave the European Union and 9% of the leavers now think it was wrong. The net difference means that the swing toward remaining has not exactly rocketed. "Remain" has improved, but does not have a commanding lead. The Guardian's article is a bit of a beatup.

I think the poll is interesting for a number of reasons, but mostly because it offers some context to the government's resistance to a second referendum bases around a choice between the negotiated deal, no-deal, or remaining in the EU, and the opposition's pathological fence-sitting. It's either too close to call, or with both leader's fortunes resting on the fact that they both support Brexit -- May 'officially' for political expediency and Corbyn 'on principle' -- their own polling suggests they're both most likely on the wrong side of the argument as far as the public are concerned.

Good point. I can understand May's preference for Brexit. It serves the people she serves, the rich and the xenophobics, best. Corbyn's motive is unknown to me, basically because I never bothered to read up on it. If I were him, I'd favour cancelling the British exit, if for no other reason than that it throws the spanner in the works for May's constituency.

[Rum]

Corbyn has, to his credit, been consistent in his opposition to the UKs membership. He has voted against pretty much all measures to bring ‘ever closer union’ and sees the Central European Bank as anti-democratic and a brake on social change. His view is that the EU as a whole is undemocratic and that it puts financial stability above social justice.

Given that the EU is not particularly monetarily stable and prone to fiscal crises and also given that in many member states things like workers’ rights, laws concerning equality and such are more progressive than her in the UK he could be said to be a tad out of date. Perhaps his consistent stance could be seen rather as an inability to change with the times.

[Scot Dutchy]

Sorry Rum but show me how the Euro is not stable and the Pound is? The EU is undemocratic? Has his shop steward committee agreed on that? He cant lead or decide. A tad out of date? Try forty years. He has never progressed. Change for Corbyn is impossible. He never has. His "leadership" has proven that.

[Rum]

Thanks. As ever, for setting me straight.

[Scot Dutchy]

Look that IMHO. Just let me see him doing anything or take a decision. He says his one liners at PMQT but further? Constant pressure and a clear stand point? He is too busy doing his crossword.

[Brian Peacock]

I’m a qualified maths teacher, but stopped working at Christmas because we have three small children. My wife is a chef. I felt, and still feel, the EU is an unnecessary organisation that allows richer countries to leach workers from its poorer members. There’s too much reliance on other nations, and I’d like to see us invest in proper training, so that we didn’t have to rely on foreign nationals.

The vote was really over whether we wanted a change, and I did. I didn’t expect leave to win, to be honest. Also, we shouldn’t have triggered article 50 so soon. Instead, we should have recognised that the British public had only narrowly suggested we leave, gone back to the EU and asked them how they could persuade us to stay.

Changing my mind has been gradual; the effect it will have on my family has finally dawned on me. My parents have lived in Bulgaria for more than 10 years, and I worry about how they may be treated. People in Bulgaria are lovely, but there’s corruption and a sense that some may think: “You’ve shut the door on us, so why should we treat you with any respect?”

My side of the family is quite anti-Brexit, and my wife’s is more pro-Brexit. We don’t really argue about it, but there’s very much a sense that we have all been let down. What is happening now is not in the people’s interests. Bloody politicians: mucking everything up.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... _clipboard

[Rum]

So - not everyone is a right wing headbanger after all...some leave voters were just dumb as fuck it turns out.