I figured you didn't know what you're talking about and were just parroting the Party line.sandinista wrote:oh just keep your head in the clouds and stick to your ideology coito...back to Libya.
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Coito ergo sum wrote:I figured you didn't know what you're talking about and were just parroting the Party line.sandinista wrote:oh just keep your head in the clouds and stick to your ideology coito...back to Libya.

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sandinista wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:I figured you didn't know what you're talking about and were just parroting the Party line.sandinista wrote:oh just keep your head in the clouds and stick to your ideology coito...back to Libya.

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Invisible?Coito ergo sum wrote:You're the one who thought that Soviet support was "invisible." Maybe you weren't counting that the Soviets bankrolled them, and were their major arms supplier. What the Soviets didn't provide, the Chinese did.

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Coito ergo sum wrote:sandinista wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:I figured you didn't know what you're talking about and were just parroting the Party line.sandinista wrote:oh just keep your head in the clouds and stick to your ideology coito...back to Libya.

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sandinista wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:sandinista wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:I figured you didn't know what you're talking about and were just parroting the Party line.sandinista wrote:oh just keep your head in the clouds and stick to your ideology coito...back to Libya.

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Did they use the MIG15 in Vietnam?Gawdzilla wrote:Invisible?Coito ergo sum wrote:You're the one who thought that Soviet support was "invisible." Maybe you weren't counting that the Soviets bankrolled them, and were their major arms supplier. What the Soviets didn't provide, the Chinese did.![]()
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Thanks, Sisifo and Feck, for the information. I love being corrected.
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I understand. The US is a murderous country that kills millions. All deaths on the planet are directly or indirectly attributable to the United States, including so-called natural deaths. Every war is, if not caused by Gawd's Joos, are caused by the United States, and the US never has anything other nefarious purposes, seeking only to steal resources, conquer nations, and build an Empire. For fun, the US slaughters brown, yellow and red people and bathes in their blood. It buries the carcasses and dances about on the graves of its victims singing Hallelujah. That's history according to Sandinista.sandinista wrote:It shouldn't shock you, about the same as his lack of understanding of history.Gawd wrote:Use terminal velocity, Coito. You can then calculate the kinetic energy of the bullet falling down. Divide that by the cross sectional area of the bullet to get force. Your lack of understanding of basic high school physics shocks me.
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No the US never goes to war, they are a peace loving nation who, like a happy leprechaun, bounce around the planet spreading democracy freedom and fuzzy feelings. The US military has never killed another human, they only kill the "evil doers". The US never steals resources or exploits any other country, their wealth is based purely on their own good will. The US has no empire, their hundreds of military bases and bloated military budget only exists for humanitarian reasons. History according to coitus.Coito ergo sum wrote:I understand. The US is a murderous country that kills millions. All deaths on the planet are directly or indirectly attributable to the United States, including so-called natural deaths. Every war is, if not caused by Gawd's Joos, are caused by the United States, and the US never has anything other nefarious purposes, seeking only to steal resources, conquer nations, and build an Empire. For fun, the US slaughters brown, yellow and red people and bathes in their blood. It buries the carcasses and dances about on the graves of its victims singing Hallelujah. That's history according to Sandinista.sandinista wrote:It shouldn't shock you, about the same as his lack of understanding of history.Gawd wrote:Use terminal velocity, Coito. You can then calculate the kinetic energy of the bullet falling down. Divide that by the cross sectional area of the bullet to get force. Your lack of understanding of basic high school physics shocks me.
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Pensioner wrote:Did they use the MIG15 in Vietnam?Gawdzilla wrote:Invisible?Coito ergo sum wrote:You're the one who thought that Soviet support was "invisible." Maybe you weren't counting that the Soviets bankrolled them, and were their major arms supplier. What the Soviets didn't provide, the Chinese did.![]()
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That's a MiG-17. Three strakes on the wing, not two, a steeper rake on the empennage, and a narrower chord on the vertical stabilizer are the hallmarks. Also, you can see the variable nozzle for the afterburner at the exhaust outlet.Pensioner wrote:Did they use the MIG15 in Vietnam?Gawdzilla wrote:Invisible?Coito ergo sum wrote:You're the one who thought that Soviet support was "invisible." Maybe you weren't counting that the Soviets bankrolled them, and were their major arms supplier. What the Soviets didn't provide, the Chinese did.![]()
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I've just seen that myself here http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... d-by-us-ukFBM wrote:I know! Let's just arm the rebels! What could possibly go wrong?


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Yes, arm the "rebels" (Mujahideen?). Arm rebels today in the fight against an oppressor, and then tomorrow get accused of funding terrorism.
Damned if you do - damned if you don't. We should let Qadafi and the rebels fight it out on their own, just like we should have let the Afghans fight it out with the Soviets on their own. Heck it's even more persuasive when it comes to Libya, because we're not responding an outside aggression against Libya as we were with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Funny how the folks who make the claim that "we armed bin Laden" or "bin Laden was our guy in Afghanistan" don't seem to see the parallel in funding Libyan "rebels" now....
Damned if you do - damned if you don't. We should let Qadafi and the rebels fight it out on their own, just like we should have let the Afghans fight it out with the Soviets on their own. Heck it's even more persuasive when it comes to Libya, because we're not responding an outside aggression against Libya as we were with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Funny how the folks who make the claim that "we armed bin Laden" or "bin Laden was our guy in Afghanistan" don't seem to see the parallel in funding Libyan "rebels" now....
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