The Trump Impeachment

[L'Emmerdeur]

I did not catch onto why the conspiracy theorists were feeding this to Trump till now. The company is owned by a Ukrainian. Therefore anti-Russia. In the same way that the FBI can't be trusted because there are democrats working there.

The owner of CrowdStrike is not Ukrainian, that's part of the lie. He was born in Moscow, and as far as I know has no Ukrainian heritage.

[Tero]

No Trump voter will ever check that. Besides: deep state! It already has the FBI.

[Tero]

The Senate vote is more like giving him "ten hours of community service"

The argument circulating the GOP drain is that a failure to oust Trump from office is tantamount to an acquittal. But that relies on the false analogy that the House impeachment vote is akin to an indictment, after which the Senate conducts a trial. But a more accurate analogy would be to cast the House as the de facto courtroom and impeachment there is a conviction. After all, the language of the Articles of Impeachment state flatly that “President Trump has abused the powers of the Presidency in a manner offensive to, and subversive of, the Constitution.” Note that it doesn’t say he is charged with abuse of power, but that he “has abused” his power. Consequently, a “yes” vote is a finding of guilt.

The Senate’s role is, therefore, not one of a trier of fact, but more that of a sentencing hearing. The House establishes the facts and will shortly rule that Trump is guilty. The Senate decides if he should be punished by removal from office, or pardoned and allowed to complete his term. But the conviction stands.

www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=43485

[Tyrannical]

The Senate vote is more like giving him "ten hours of community service"

The argument circulating the GOP drain is that a failure to oust Trump from office is tantamount to an acquittal. But that relies on the false analogy that the House impeachment vote is akin to an indictment, after which the Senate conducts a trial. But a more accurate analogy would be to cast the House as the de facto courtroom and impeachment there is a conviction. After all, the language of the Articles of Impeachment state flatly that “President Trump has abused the powers of the Presidency in a manner offensive to, and subversive of, the Constitution.” Note that it doesn’t say he is charged with abuse of power, but that he “has abused” his power. Consequently, a “yes” vote is a finding of guilt.

The Senate’s role is, therefore, not one of a trier of fact, but more that of a sentencing hearing. The House establishes the facts and will shortly rule that Trump is guilty. The Senate decides if he should be punished by removal from office, or pardoned and allowed to complete his term. But the conviction stands.

www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=43485

No, the Senate vote is going to thank President Trump for bringing the Biden Ukrainian corruption to their attention, since the Senate is investigating Biden corruption right now. Then they will admonish the House for a sham impeachment, and then accuse them of obstruction of justice in covering up Biden corruption.

Democrat fantasy land ends with the House vote. The Senate will be all about Biden corruption and the House cover up.

[Animavore]

It's amazing watching America's descent into fascism from over here.

[Tero]

There is no Biden Ukraine corruption, the boy was using daddy's name, same as Ivanka.

And besides, there is just a vote in Senate. No Hunter Biden!

[Seabass]

It's amazing watching America's descent into fascism from over here.

Imagine what it's like to watch it from over here!

[Tyrannical]

There is no Biden Ukraine corruption, the boy was using daddy's name, same as Ivanka.

And besides, there is just a vote in Senate. No Hunter Biden!

Giuliani claims Burisma paid Daddy Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying.

Might want to glance at how the Senate trial went for Bill. It's not a quick vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachme ... nate_trial

[Tero]

This one is.

[Joe]

It's amazing watching America's descent into fascism from over here.

Imagine what it's like to watch it from over here!

Yeah, most of the yelling is about the "favor," but it's alarming that the Senate is going to hand wave the second article. What Trump has done in obstructing Congress looks like the royal prerogative of yore, and the Supreme Court is the last line of defense.

That's cutting it a little too close for comfort.

[L'Emmerdeur]

The 'Burisma paid $900,000 to Joe Biden!!!' claim isn't news. The likely Russian stooge Derkach has been pushing it since at least October. He's never offered any evidence, and I doubt that Giuliani has any, either. I've seen mention of a claim that $900,000 went to the consulting agency co-owned by Hunter Biden, but even if that were substantiated, it's not the same as paying his father, and to quote an absent member, 'it's not illegal.'

The source of ZeroHedge’s story [on a related topic--a bogus story, by the way] appears to be an article from Interfax-Ukraine that repeated unsubstantiated claims about illegal payments from Burisma to [Hunter] Biden made by Ukrainian Members of Parliament Andriy Derkach and Oleksandr Dubinsky at a press conference they held at the news agency, where they did not offer evidence to back their claims. Interfax-Ukraine’s parent company is a Russian business, Interfax, that was recently praised by Vladmir Putin as making “a major contribution to strengthening the authority and prestige of journalism.” Derkach’s claim about the payments isn’t new. As Time reported, in recent months Derkach has repeatedly made public statements alleging improper payments from Burisma to Biden. Those statements failed to catch on in the way the statements made at the press conference on Wednesday did. Other Ukrainian lawmakers have accused Derkach -- who does not belong to a political party and, according to Time, “studied in the early 1990s at Russia’s top intelligence academy” -- of advancing the interests of Russia, which is currently waging a war against Ukraine. According to Kyiv Post, Derkach has made separate accusations about Biden receiving improper payments in an offshore account while providing “no evidence to support these accusations.” According to Ukraine experts interviewed by NBC News, Derkach and Dubinsky are “not credible” and likely held the press conference to boost Trump.

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[L'Emmerdeur]

It's amazing watching America's descent into fascism from over here.

Imagine what it's like to watch it from over here!

Yeah, most of the yelling is about the "favor," but it's alarming that the Senate is going to hand wave the second article. What Trump has done in obstructing Congress looks like the royal prerogative of yore, and the Supreme Court is the last line of defense.

That's cutting it a little too close for comfort.

Trump has an Article II where he has the right to do whatever he wants as president. It probably has a clause about 'absolute immunity.' That Article II may be in some super-secret special Trump document squirrelled away in a secure server, but it's not in the US Constitution. Apparently the Republicans believe in Trump's Article II though.

[Joe]

It's amazing watching America's descent into fascism from over here.

Imagine what it's like to watch it from over here!

Yeah, most of the yelling is about the "favor," but it's alarming that the Senate is going to hand wave the second article. What Trump has done in obstructing Congress looks like the royal prerogative of yore, and the Supreme Court is the last line of defense.

That's cutting it a little too close for comfort.

Trump has an Article II where he has the right to do whatever he wants as president. It probably has a clause about 'absolute immunity.' That Article II may be in some super-secret special Trump document squirrelled away in a secure server, but it's not in the US Constitution. Apparently the Republicans believe in Trump's Article II though.

Well, until a Democrat becomes President. Then they will invoke the Benghazi exemption.

[Tero]

WASHINGTON—Praising the eloquence and noble character of his Democratic colleague before humbly offering a rebuttal, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) engaged in thoughtful and enlightened debate Thursday over the merits of proposed impeachment articles brought against the president of the United States. “Allow me first to congratulate you upon your exceptional oratory and remark upon what a great honor it is to deliberate this matter with a man of such high integrity,” said Jordan, who addressed House Judiciary Committee chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY) in measured and courtesy tones, commending civil discourse as the bedrock of a democratic society. “Although you have made some very cogent and incisive rhetorical points this morning, I must, unfortunately, submit a rejoinder in which I shall seek to elucidate what I believe to be a fallacy in your position. Despite our arrival at this occasion of discord, please know I consider you a true compatriot: a fellow truth-seeker with no interest beyond securing what is best for our great republic.” At press time, witnesses confirmed Jordan had nearly beaten Nadler to death with a cane after being set off by a remark impugning the honor of the president.

The Onion

[Joe]