Connecticut (et al)

[Rum]

Mount Everest is hollow??!!

..well I never knew that. ..

[Blind groper]

Mount Everest is hollow??!!

..well I never knew that. ..

No, the real tough guys burrow their way to the top, removing granite with their teeth.

[Hermit]

Love the Goon Show reference.

Climbing Mount Everest from the inside

[aspire1670]

Love the Goon Show reference.

Climbing Mount Everest from the inside

Ying tong iddle i po!

[aspire1670]

Mount Everest is hollow??!!

..well I never knew that. ..

No, the real tough guys burrow their way to the top, removing granite with their teeth.

Seth could do that - if he wasn't always armed to the teeth.

[Wumbologist]

For anyone who doubts that the media will full-on lie to sensationalize the topic of gun control in the US:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... snhp&pos=1

Oh my! Rocket launchers! That darn second amendment is nothing but trouble!

One problem, though. The launcher pictured is an AT-4, a single-use tube. There are literally thousands of these empty, non-reusable tubes around, look around flea markets or army surplus stores and you'll typically find them for around $50. Once the rocket has been fired out of it, it's no longer a rocket launcher, it's a useless tube that might look cool if you put it up on a wall. Someone doubled their money on this buyback and the media pounced on it as evidence of how scary guns are because every American gun owner has rocket launchers hiding in their basement.

[MrJonno]

For anyone who doubts that the media will full-on lie to sensationalize the topic of gun control in the US:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... snhp&pos=1

Oh my! Rocket launchers! That darn second amendment is nothing but trouble!

One problem, though. The launcher pictured is an AT-4, a single-use tube. There are literally thousands of these empty, non-reusable tubes around, look around flea markets or army surplus stores and you'll typically find them for around $50. Once the rocket has been fired out of it, it's no longer a rocket launcher, it's a useless tube that might look cool if you put it up on a wall. Someone doubled their money on this buyback and the media pounced on it as evidence of how scary guns are because every American gun owner has rocket launchers hiding in their basement.

Surely if it looks like a weaopn to a member of the public it counts as one if you use it in another crime. Whether it works or not isnt relevant

[Jason]

Interesting to note that Americans in general, since the massacre, have hardened their views, with more wanting stricter gun laws. 62% now want bans of guns that hold more than 10 bullets in the magazine.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/27 ... trol-poll/

That's something, at least, though it's only about banning magazines with a capacity greater than 10.

No rational argument (eg. "for hunting") could be made for 30 shot magazines. If you are such a poor shot that you need a 30 round semi-automatic togo hunting, try going to a butcher's shop instead...

Cue Seth with a "when they prise them from my cold, dead hands" line...

As I've said before, the guns will eventually go, because they will simply become socially unacceptable. If nothing else, their prevalence will vastly decrease, as has happened over the past decades with smoking. Guns will follow suit. It is already happening. The current noise making of the gun proponents is simply because they know that they're on the defensive now, and ultimately they will lose.

I doubt it'll go that far, but I expect the inexcusable types of firearms to go. There's no defensible reason whatsoever to own an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine.

[Jason]

For anyone who doubts that the media will full-on lie to sensationalize the topic of gun control in the US:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... snhp&pos=1

Oh my! Rocket launchers! That darn second amendment is nothing but trouble!

One problem, though. The launcher pictured is an AT-4, a single-use tube. There are literally thousands of these empty, non-reusable tubes around, look around flea markets or army surplus stores and you'll typically find them for around $50. Once the rocket has been fired out of it, it's no longer a rocket launcher, it's a useless tube that might look cool if you put it up on a wall. Someone doubled their money on this buyback and the media pounced on it as evidence of how scary guns are because every American gun owner has rocket launchers hiding in their basement.

The army surplus store in the city I spent a most of my time growing up in used to sell MK. 2 grenades. The blackpowder and ignitor were removed of course.. but it's not as if blackpowder is hard to come by.

[Seth]

For anyone who doubts that the media will full-on lie to sensationalize the topic of gun control in the US:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... snhp&pos=1

Oh my! Rocket launchers! That darn second amendment is nothing but trouble!

One problem, though. The launcher pictured is an AT-4, a single-use tube. There are literally thousands of these empty, non-reusable tubes around, look around flea markets or army surplus stores and you'll typically find them for around $50. Once the rocket has been fired out of it, it's no longer a rocket launcher, it's a useless tube that might look cool if you put it up on a wall. Someone doubled their money on this buyback and the media pounced on it as evidence of how scary guns are because every American gun owner has rocket launchers hiding in their basement.

The army surplus store in the city I spent a most of my time growing up in used to sell MK. 2 grenades. The blackpowder and ignitor were removed of course.. but it's not as if blackpowder is hard to come by.

No hand grenade manufactured since the Civil War uses "blackpowder" as it's fuse.

That being said, you can certainly pack a dummy grenade with black powder and stick a fuse in it and make it work. Then again you can take a can of black powder and wrap it with duct tape and nails and get the same effect.

It' is interesting to note that the BATFE has recently ruled that the screw-in fuse assembly of a modern hand grenade, which consists of the spoon (handle) the striker and striker spring, the fuse body and the aluminum tube into which the fuse/initiator is put, even though it contains no explosives at all, is now an NFA Class III destructive device.

You used to be able to buy these assemblies by the crate-load and surplus stores sold them for about five bucks. There are tens of thousands of them in civilian hands.

I used to have some. I bought a special reamer and reamed out the fuse body so it would take a specially-modifed .45 ACP case. I used them as booby-trap simulators in training. The striker is a flap with a firing pin moulded in that, when the spoon is released, flips over with enough force to set off a pistol primer. It makes enough of a noise to indicate that you've just been killed.

However, fill a dummy grenade with gunpowder and screw the modified assembly into it and you have a REAL booby trap that's just about as effective as a hand grenade with PETN high explosive in it.

And that's why the BATFE put them on the NFA list.

[Jason]

Blackpowder was used as the ignitor charge when the filler was regular, everyday, smokeless gunpowder.

[Seth]

Interesting to note that Americans in general, since the massacre, have hardened their views, with more wanting stricter gun laws. 62% now want bans of guns that hold more than 10 bullets in the magazine.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/27 ... trol-poll/

That's something, at least, though it's only about banning magazines with a capacity greater than 10.

No rational argument (eg. "for hunting") could be made for 30 shot magazines. If you are such a poor shot that you need a 30 round semi-automatic togo hunting, try going to a butcher's shop instead...

Cue Seth with a "when they prise them from my cold, dead hands" line...

As I've said before, the guns will eventually go, because they will simply become socially unacceptable. If nothing else, their prevalence will vastly decrease, as has happened over the past decades with smoking. Guns will follow suit. It is already happening. The current noise making of the gun proponents is simply because they know that they're on the defensive now, and ultimately they will lose.

I doubt it'll go that far, but I expect the inexcusable types of firearms to go. There's no defensible reason whatsoever to own an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine.

Sure there is. It's called the Right to Keep and Bear Arms that's explicitly protected by the 2nd Amendment. According to Supreme Court precedent, of all of the possible configurations of firearms that are protected by the 2nd Amendment, AR-15s with 30 (or 100) round magazines are the most stringently protected of them all.

This is because while the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear a handgun for self defense (Heller v DC) and that the RKBA is an individual (not militia-affiliated collective) right (McDonald v Chicago) it is ALSO intended to protect "those arms that are suitable for use by the individual soldier." (U.S. v Miller)

And because the Congress is given the authority to call the Unorganized Militia to duty (Militia Act), any gun control law, federal or state, that interferes with the ability of the members of the Militia to report for duty with their own arms with which they are competent and familiar, violates both the 2nd Amendment and Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.

What you hoplophobes fail to understand is that the PRIMARY (though not exclusive) purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to protect military arms and the people's right to keep and bear them in order to provide an effective (well regulated) militia.

Thus, arms that are of military utility, which certainly includes AR-15s and large-capacity magazines, in the hands of civilians, is expressly what the Constitution intends to protect against Congressional (and now state) infringement.

You lose.

[Seth]

Blackpowder was used as the ignitor charge when the filler was regular, everyday, smokeless gunpowder.

Nope. Not in any modern hand grenade since before WWI.

A grenade with a black powder "fuse" would go off the instant the spoon was released and the primer ignited.

All modern grenades (in fact all grenades) have a time delay fuse of some sort, beginning with cannon fuse and now using a complex stack of chemicals that delay the ignition of the booster charge long enough to arm and throw the grenade.

[Jason]

Repeal the 2nd amendment and all its corollaries in every state constitution.

You lose.

Neener.

[Jason]

Blackpowder was used as the ignitor charge when the filler was regular, everyday, smokeless gunpowder.

Nope. Not in any modern hand grenade since before WWI.

A grenade with a black powder "fuse" would go off the instant the spoon was released and the primer ignited.

All modern grenades (in fact all grenades) have a time delay fuse of some sort, beginning with cannon fuse and now using a complex stack of chemicals that delay the ignition of the booster charge long enough to arm and throw the grenade.

It's not the facking fuse.. it's the ignitor charge. Reading comprehension. Jeebus. I'm also talking about a specific frag grenade - the MK 2.