Oslo Blast Gun Derail

[Gallstones]

OK, so maybe he never intended a sootout with the police, but he still had an hour and a half to shoot unarmed people at will, without challenge. If there had been at least one among the 250 people on the island legally registered to carry a firearm, that person would've had at least a chance to save dozens.

A chance, yes (and had I been there and armed, I would have tried to take him out myself, that's for sure). However, bringing down a guy who is wearing kevlar is a bitch - successful head shots and leg shots are a damn sight more difficult than body shots, what I remember from my training in the 1980ies (I did pistol and rifle practical shooting as a hobby, in addition to more ordinary target practice).

Even disabling him would have slowed him down and improved the odds of escape for a few more kids.

[Seth]

Seth's reasoning reminds me of something Archie Bunker once said. His suggestion for foiling or deterring airplane hijackers was to arm the rest of the passengers. Airlines could make a good investment in a couple hundred pistols per plane, pass them out to everyone as they boarded, and collect them after they landed. What could go wrong?

Good question. What could go wrong? Do you really mistrust your fellow citizens so much that you really believe that they would all go suddenly insane and begin shooting each other inside a pressurized jetliner cabin? The actual point of the suggestion is that in the event of a hijacking attempt, there are hundreds more good citizens than terrorists, and if those citizens are armed (or merely willing to do so at risk to themselves, as seems to be the case these days) they will be able to stop anyone who tries to hijack the flight. I think a one-shot "liberty pistol" with frangible ammo would work quite well as a "mutually assured destruction" deterrent to any attempt to take over the flight, if the citizenry were properly trained in gun safety and marksmanship from the first grade through high school graduation. After all, we put Air Marshals who are armed on flights, what's to prevent them from going spontaneously insane merely because they possess a firearm?

I used to carry my service weapon on flights. I just had to show my credentials. Never even thought about shooting up the place. Imagine that.

[Seth]

OK, so maybe he never intended a sootout with the police, but he still had an hour and a half to shoot unarmed people at will, without challenge. If there had been at least one among the 250 people on the island legally registered to carry a firearm, that person would've had at least a chance to save dozens.

A chance, yes (and had I been there and armed, I would have tried to take him out myself, that's for sure). However, bringing down a guy who is wearing kevlar is a bitch - successful head shots and leg shots are a damn sight more difficult than body shots, what I remember from my training in the 1980ies (I did pistol and rifle practical shooting as a hobby, in addition to more ordinary target practice).

Even disabling him would have slowed him down and improved the odds of escape for a few more kids.

Yup. Blow out a knee or even an ankle and he's going to be less able to move or shoot. Just shooting at him even without hitting him would have forced him to change his focus, allowing more people to escape. Every fraction of a second you can keep him occupied thinking about HIS getting shot you save lives by disrupting his concentration and aim.

[Pensioner]

I'm willing to fight alongside anybody in defense against turds like that Oslo fella. But if the guy next to me is cringing and refusing to stand up and fire his weapoon, hoping for outside salvation, then fuck him. He has made his choice, and I will look for the truely defenseless to defend. I wish I were better at explaining this position, but this is what we're stuck with, looks like.

You're starting to daydream out loud, like Seth, do you realise that?
Real life isn't like the magnificent seven, you know.
It's only daydreams that turn out how you want. Even in real dreams, things keep going wrong, and real life can be a bitch.
I blame the films myself. Some people are never the same after a dose of Clint Eastwood.

This a photo of me in Ireland, If one of the IRA had opened up on me with a AK 47
I would have taken them out with my 38, in my dreams maybe.

[Gallstones]

If someone ever want to shoot me or my family dead with almost 100% certainty they will succeed which is why it is in my interest to live in a society where the chances of that happening are as small as possible
Which is why I am far less likely to be shot dead in the UK without a gun than any American is with one.

I also don't trust police with guns and I hope to see them kept to a minimum as well (the police generally don't trust themselves with guns either which is my most have said they would resign from the force if forced to carry).

Its the old cult of the individual ,master of ones own destiny, rugged individual bullshit. My survival relies on others simply as that without them I die.

Proud to be a feeble weak human being living in strong society

A society is made up of people. It is not an entity separate from its necessary components. If the people are feeble and weak the society is feeble and weak.

If your society is strong now it is because the people who came before you made it that way by being strong; doing the hard work. You would be spending what they saved up.

[Don't Panic]

I think sensible gun control is needed , I don't think a population that gets themselves hooked on Meth or Crack can just be given free access to as many guns and as much ammo as they like . I'm not a paranoid anti-gun nut but I'd rather not live in a place where you can get shot for knocking on the wrong door looking for a party after the pub closes . This idea that we would all be safer if only we all carried guns is straight out of the wild west .... and wasn't that a nice safe time ?

"Population" that gets itself hooked on Meth and Crack?

Odd term.


Anyone who wants guns and ammo can get as much as they can pay for, it only takes money.
That is true no matter where a person lives or what the laws are.

I don't know how safe the "wild" west was. Do you?

The wild west was nowhere near as violent as movies would have you believe.

A lot of the settlers were former civil war soldiers and most men had guns, which i guess would have been needed for wild animals and hunting anyway, and knew how to use them, so criminals knew to expect swift justice for any serious indiscretions.

But gunfights on the street at noon are mostly a product of Hollywood.

[Gallstones]

I'm willing to fight alongside anybody in defense against turds like that Oslo fella. But if the guy next to me is cringing and refusing to stand up and fire his weapoon, hoping for outside salvation, then fuck him. He has made his choice, and I will look for the truely defenseless to defend. I wish I were better at explaining this position, but this is what we're stuck with, looks like.

You're starting to daydream out loud, like Seth, do you realise that?
Real life isn't like the magnificent seven, you know.
It's only daydreams that turn out how you want. Even in real dreams, things keep going wrong, and real life can be a bitch.
I blame the films myself. Some people are never the same after a dose of Clint Eastwood.

This a photo of me in Ireland, If one of the IRA had opened up on me with a AK 47
I would have taken them out with my 38, in my dreams maybe.

That's why we give troops rifles and officers handguns.



Cool picture Pen.

[Seth]

I'm willing to fight alongside anybody in defense against turds like that Oslo fella. But if the guy next to me is cringing and refusing to stand up and fire his weapoon, hoping for outside salvation, then fuck him. He has made his choice, and I will look for the truely defenseless to defend. I wish I were better at explaining this position, but this is what we're stuck with, looks like.

You're starting to daydream out loud, like Seth, do you realise that?

No, it's you that's deep in delusion, not us.

Real life isn't like the magnificent seven, you know.

Indeed, as the people of Oslo just found out. It can be dirty, messy and dangerous, which is why rational, sane people prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

It's only daydreams that turn out how you want. Even in real dreams, things keep going wrong, and real life can be a bitch.

Nobody said it was easy, or safe, and sometimes you die. Still, cowards run and hide and die on their knees, crying and begging. Brave men (and women) do what they can and if necessary try to die with their teeth in their enemy's throat, not shot in the back of the head while pissing their pants and crying. You can choose to die in any manner you like, but you cannot make that choice for me or anyone else.

I blame the films myself. Some people are never the same after a dose of Clint Eastwood.

Films mirror reality, or do you not know who Audie Murphy is?

[Svartalf]

I used to go hunting. I was too young to know better, and I regret it now. But at least I grew up.

That philosophy works really well for those blessed ones who have never been really hungry.

Definitely
I've never even been remotely interested in hunting and regard the French hunting culture (basically needless killing of wild animals, the origin of which in actual food gathering and popular taking over of a pastime formerly reserved to the nobility has been completely lost) with some disgust.

Then again, I know I'm blessed to be a urbanite with access to markets and that I never had need to hunt, and hopefully never shall.

[Gallstones]

Could someone tell me of prohibition that is completely effective?

Nothing yet.

[Tyrannical]

A handgun is probably more accurate than an AK-47.

[Seth]

I'm willing to fight alongside anybody in defense against turds like that Oslo fella. But if the guy next to me is cringing and refusing to stand up and fire his weapoon, hoping for outside salvation, then fuck him. He has made his choice, and I will look for the truely defenseless to defend. I wish I were better at explaining this position, but this is what we're stuck with, looks like.

You're starting to daydream out loud, like Seth, do you realise that?
Real life isn't like the magnificent seven, you know.
It's only daydreams that turn out how you want. Even in real dreams, things keep going wrong, and real life can be a bitch.
I blame the films myself. Some people are never the same after a dose of Clint Eastwood.

This a photo of me in Ireland, If one of the IRA had opened up on me with a AK 47
I would have taken them out with my 38, in my dreams maybe.

Why use a .38 when you've got a main gun and presumably a machine gun or two? But if all you had was a .38, I'm willing to bet that you'd have used it, now wouldn't you? Otherwise, why did you have it?

[Seth]

I used to go hunting. I was too young to know better, and I regret it now. But at least I grew up.

That philosophy works really well for those blessed ones who have never been really hungry.

Definitely
I've never even been remotely interested in hunting and regard the French hunting culture (basically needless killing of wild animals, the origin of which in actual food gathering and popular taking over of a pastime formerly reserved to the nobility has been completely lost) with some disgust.

Then again, I know I'm blessed to be a urbanite with access to markets and that I never had need to hunt, and hopefully never shall.

Being untrained in the art of hunting, if you need to, you'll starve. Far better to be skilled in the hunt (and more tasty too!) so that at need you can survive.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No, it's you that's deep in delusion, not us.

"us"? You speak for yourself. As always.

[Seth]

A handgun is probably more accurate than an AK-47.

Well, I wouldn't say that. The AK47 and its variants are highly accurate and the design is one of the most reliable in the world, not to mention easy and cheap to build. But a skilled handgun marksman has it over an unskilled AK user at close range.