The Arms Trade

[Scot Dutchy]

That can’t be right. If you are then SD is wrong...which can’t possibly be right.

Another personal attack. You just cant help yourself can you. Did I make any claim about this country. Pathetic as always Mr Mondeo man.

You can’t take a compliment can you?

If you consider that a compliment

[Sean Hayden]

I had no idea. Rum, you fuck scoundrel.

[Rum]

Every single other reader of this thread knows exactly the message you were touting. America violent = militarism and loads of arms sales. Wonderful Netherlands, peaceful and beneficent, land of little conflict - no militarism and no arms industry.

You know why they know that? Because some version of it is in 90% of your posts.and the idea is simply full of shit.

[Rum]

I had no idea. Rum, you fuck scoundrel.

Hey somebody’s got to do it.

Unfortunately SD fled this country a long time ago now and is out of touch with current memes and such.

[Brian Peacock]

The UK is the world's second biggest arms exporter. The point isn't about who sells the most or the best weapons. Like any market, maintaining profits in the arms industry relies on generating and maintaining consumption while driving efficiency savings and economies of scale. All arms exporters aim to export more arms. All weapons manufacturers aim to supply more weapons. Consumers are led to understand that more consumption is always necessary, but they can always get some of their money back on the arms dealers'[ version of eBay.

[Scot Dutchy]

I had no idea. Rum, you fuck scoundrel.

Hey somebody’s got to do it.

Unfortunately SD fled this country a long time ago now and is out of touch with current memes and such.

If somebody is out of touch it is you Mondeo man. Rural Carlisle is not a stimulating place. A rural dump more like it.

[Scot Dutchy]

Every single other reader of this thread knows exactly the message you were touting. America violent = militarism and loads of arms sales. Wonderful Netherlands, peaceful and beneficent, land of little conflict - no militarism and no arms industry.

You know why they know that? Because some version of it is in 90% of your posts.and the idea is simply full of shit.

Just where did I mention the Netherlands? You have a fixation about this country. You desperately need help Mondeo man. You are becoming soft in the head mainly because you can stand the failures of your dump of a country being clearly pointed out to you. Look forward to becoming the 51st state and enjoy the muck coming your way.
Which two countries sell more arms than the rest of the world combined? Not the Netherlands but dont let facts stop your brain farts.

[laklak]

To be fair, American guns are the best guns. UK's are second best.

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah. We thought we'd done pretty jolly well I-should-coco with the bouncing bomb, and then you lot go and develop the Atom bomb. Kind of made the rest of us feel a bit inadequate. And then you made us buy the blummin thing at a cost of five NHSs. Cripes, what were we thinking?!?

[laklak]

See? Shouldn't have kicked us all out in the first place.

[pErvinalia]

Every single other reader of this thread knows exactly the message you were touting. America violent = militarism and loads of arms sales. Wonderful Netherlands, peaceful and beneficent, land of little conflict - no militarism and no arms industry.

You know why they know that? Because some version of it is in 90% of your posts.and the idea is simply full of shit.

Just where did I mention the Netherlands? You have a fixation about this country.

He does?

[Rum]

The Netherwheres?

[Svartalf]

To be fair, American guns are the best guns. UK's are second best.

You forgot German and Belgian guns, H&K and FN Herstal are among the very best.

[Scot Dutchy]

The great British arm trade:

British arms sales to Saudi Arabia deemed unlawful, but now the hard work begins

The onus is on MPs to ensure the government respects a legal ruling criticising the export of weapons used in Yemen

This week’s legal decision by the appeal court that UK arms sales to Saudi Arabia are unlawful finally opens the door to accountability for Britain’s role in the war in Yemen and the humanitarian disaster it has caused.

But while Thursday was a day of celebration for campaigners, now the hard work begins of trying to get the government to respect the decision.

The government says it will not allow arms exports where there is a clear risk they might be used in serious violations of international humanitarian law. Yet for the past four years, it has provided diplomatic cover for the Saudi-led coalition’s abuses committed primarily with UK and US supplied weapons.

Money, money, money.

[Scot Dutchy]

Regarding Dutch arms sales:

Dutch arms exports and SIPRI ranking

A Dutch Parliamentary Commission asked the Minister of Foreign Trade and Development Cooperation, Sigrid Kaag, to send an explanation of this high arms export position to the Parliament. It will be discussed on June 6 in a debate on Dutch arms export. In her appreciation, the minister praised the SIPRI report for its methodological consistency, which makes it a tool to map changes in the global volume of arms trade. But the appreciation spins when it says that the Netherlands is a much smaller exporter as depicted in the report. According to the minister:

a) The Netherlands has, unlike other countries, a transparent policy on the sale of surplus arms. Most of the exported Dutch surplus weapons fall under one of the eleven SIPRI categories (see SIPRI sources and methods) and in its Trend Indicator Value (TIV) SIPRI attributes to them a 40% value of their original cost. So compared with other countries the Netherlands is over-reported and ends up with a relatively high export value;

b) The Netherlands does not export small arms and ammunition. Small arms and ammunition are not included in the SIPRI figures. So the substantial small arms and ammunition industries of other EU countries are not counted; they are under-reported and end up relatively lower.

According to the minister: “All together the methodology results in the description of the Netherlands as a relatively big arms exporter,” and, “the picture would be different when all exports of military material were included and when the value of export permission or actual exports were taken to measure the value,”

UK arms sales increase: 37% The Netherlands: 14%.