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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by Drewish » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:02 am

FrigidSymphony wrote:
The Associated Press wrote wrote:_ Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.
Explains a lot.
See? It's an escape clause to push for continued left-leaning attitudes. Basically it's one more attempt by Europe to influence us colonies :lay:

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Gawdzilla, that is nothing more than circular logic and ASSUMES that the only reason that appeasement tactics don't work is because leaders just don't BELIVE in them enough. What lunacy.
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
The Associated Press wrote wrote:_ Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.
Explains a lot.
Even Fox News agrees:
Rather than recognizing concrete achievement, the 2009 prize appeared intended to support initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:03 am

andrewclunn wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
The Associated Press wrote wrote:_ Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.
Explains a lot.
See? It's an escape clause to push for continued left-leaning attitudes. Basically it's one more attempt by Europe to influence us colonies :lay:

EDIT -

Gawdzilla, that is nothing more than circular logic and ASSUMES that the only reason that appeasement tactics don't work is because leaders just don't BELIVE in them enough. What lunacy.
Bah, you just don't like him. Rankles. :hehe:
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:03 am

Maybe the Nobel Committee should introduce a "War Prize" and keep everyone happy....
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by devogue » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:06 am

A Nobel Spunk Prize.

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:07 am

Devogue wrote:A Nobel Spunk Prize.
Distance or volume?
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by charlou » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:07 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:If the Nobel Committee did a comedy award, Bush would have got one

:hehe: Yeah, it's funny, but the kind of thing that could happen to anyone, and he took it well.


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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

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Clinton Huxley wrote:
Devogue wrote:A Nobel Spunk Prize.
Distance or volume?
Some years they split the prize.
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by devogue » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:08 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:
Devogue wrote:A Nobel Spunk Prize.
Distance or volume?
Consistency.

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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:12 am

Devogue wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
Devogue wrote:A Nobel Spunk Prize.
Distance or volume?
Consistency.
You know some total dick would win that every year. :nono:
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by devogue » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:18 am

They might as well have a Nobel Spunk Prize, seeing as they are in a silly mood anyway.

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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:19 pm

CNN is trying to preempt the inevitable by asking "Is this a gift to the right?" Sheesh.
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by FBM » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:02 pm

andrewclunn wrote:No, they should have given it to somebody who actually accomplished something. The Nobel awards are more and more about ideology (especially the non-scientific ones) than about actual accomplishments. If that's not the definition of bias then I don't know what is.
In all fairness, it's not always about actual accomplishments. It's often about what you stand for. Aung San Suu Kyi hasn't actually accomplished anything more than enduring house arrest for half her life, but I wouldn't begrude her the Prize. Would you?
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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by Drewish » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:15 pm

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andrewclunn wrote:No, they should have given it to somebody who actually accomplished something. The Nobel awards are more and more about ideology (especially the non-scientific ones) than about actual accomplishments. If that's not the definition of bias then I don't know what is.
In all fairness, it's not always about actual accomplishments. It's often about what you stand for. Aung San Suu Kyi hasn't actually accomplished anything more than enduring house arrest for half her life, but I wouldn't begrude her the Prize. Would you?
No, but that's at least long term dedication to a cause. Obama has been in office a little over half a year! I criticize right leaning media for their propaganda and I'm not blaming Obama (He hasn't had time to really do very much) but this is clearly nothing more than partisan politics. I attempt to put honesty and objectivity before my own political leanings, and this is obviously garbage. It's not like there aren't plenty of deserving people out there for the Nobel peace prize. Just because somebody does something in favor of the right, doesn't mean I suddenly give them my full support. That would make me a tool. You hold yourself to standards or you become nothing more than a shill. I am a critical thinker first and a right-winger second. The only way to justify this as anything other than political propaganda is to be a left-winger first and a critical thinker second. The Nobel Peace Prize should stand for more than this, and the fact that it doesn't should make us all ashamed.

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Re: Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize

Post by FBM » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:53 pm

andrewclunn wrote:No, but that's at least long term dedication to a cause. Obama has been in office a little over half a year! I criticize right leaning media for their propaganda and I'm not blaming Obama (He hasn't had time to really do very much) but this is clearly nothing more than partisan politics. I attempt to put honesty and objectivity before my own political leanings, and this is obviously garbage. It's not like there aren't plenty of deserving people out there for the Nobel peace prize. Just because somebody does something in favor of the right, doesn't mean I suddenly give them my full support. That would make me a tool. You hold yourself to standards or you become nothing more than a shill. I am a critical thinker first and a right-winger second. The only way to justify this as anything other than political propaganda is to be a left-winger first and a critical thinker second. The Nobel Peace Prize should stand for more than this, and the fact that it doesn't should make us all ashamed.
That's one way of looking at it, and I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying that there are other, more global, perspectives that apparently reach a different conclusion. The message from Oslow seems to be that he's already made such a dramatic and globally-welcomed turnaround in US foreign policy, despite partisan politics at home, that they feel the need to simultaneoulsly reward and encourage that program. The conservative-progressive/right-left dichotomy isn't so clear-cut. For example, here in S. Korea, it's the conservatives that support Obama and his foreign policy, while the 'liberals' are pushing for a return to a 'pure' Korean society, free of American hegemony. The only way to understand what happens overseas is to walk in their moccasins for a mile or two and see the world through their eyes.

Incidentally, I'm not committed to either the right or left. Fuck, I'm not even committed to the centrist position. Every issue is a different issue, and I agree with some policies of all sides and disagree with some from every side. If that makes me a pussy, well so what. You are what you eat. :tup:
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