The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by Hermit » Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:54 am

Fuck off, you bunch of crypto-communists! The fall in crime is solely due to an increase in guns. And the only place where crime rates have fallen, is the US. Everywhere else losers like you are held over the barrel by machine-gun toting tax officials and subject to increasing crime rates because, you see, in order for governments to look acceptable for perpetrating their thefts, they have to also allow other criminals to do such things as raping your daughters while holding you at gun point, and they can only do that because you fuckwits are too pissweak to form militias that will stop them. You lose.
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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by MiM » Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:38 pm

Warren, you fail to reference your graph for Germany and you seem to misunderstand it completely. "hospital orders" is not equal to "people in mental hospitals", as most people stay there for a relatively short period. According to WHO Germany had about 89 beds per 100 000 population for mental care in 2011. That's less than a tenth of what you claim. The same number for the USA was 34. [http://www.who.int/mental_health/eviden ... index.html]

And I don't agree with it being better to throw mentally ill people in prisons than giving them treatment. With proper treatment many can return to normal society, whereas almost nobody gets better in prison.
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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:35 pm

Seth wrote:The pervasiveness of affordable video cameras has a lot to do with the apprehension rate.
What will happen when google glasses become all pervasive.

Such technology will also include the technology to determine which google glass devices were in the vicinity of an event at a given time, and so if a crime happens, the first thing that law enforcement will do is grab the videos from all area google glasses and other such devices. The only way to be off camera is to be alone and without google glasses, and if law enforcement pinpoints you in an area where a crime was committed and you were the only one there...well, res ipsa loquitur....

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:36 pm

Collector1337 wrote:If crime is on such a fucking decline, then what the fuck do we need a police state and all this fucking authoritarian bullshit for then?
...if you have nothing to hide, why do you complain?

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:37 pm

Tero wrote:Because people get freaked out by foreign terrorists. Gun enthusiasts going nuts is just everyday news.
People get freaked out by gun enthusiasts around here. Even the ones that haven't gone nuts....

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Post by laklak » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:41 pm

It's because we've entered the Age of Aquarius and the Indigo children are sending out calming psychic waves.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:44 pm

laklak wrote:It's because we've entered the Age of Aquarius and the Indigo children are sending out calming psychic waves.

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Post by Collector1337 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:19 pm

Tero wrote:Because people get freaked out by foreign terrorists. Gun enthusiasts going nuts is just everyday news.
Name even just ONE "gun enthusiast" who went "nuts."
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Post by Collector1337 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:28 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:If crime is on such a fucking decline, then what the fuck do we need a police state and all this fucking authoritarian bullshit for then?
...if you have nothing to hide, why do you complain?
Seriously? If I have nothing to hide then why complain?

I hope you're kidding with that kindergarten logic.
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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:41 pm

Collector1337 wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:If crime is on such a fucking decline, then what the fuck do we need a police state and all this fucking authoritarian bullshit for then?
...if you have nothing to hide, why do you complain?
Seriously? If I have nothing to hide then why complain?

I hope you're kidding with that kindergarten logic.
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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by Robert_S » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:48 pm

Collector1337 wrote:
Tero wrote:Because people get freaked out by foreign terrorists. Gun enthusiasts going nuts is just everyday news.
Name even just ONE "gun enthusiast" who went "nuts."
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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:58 pm

Maybe not so much an enthusiast as an .... aficionado?

Or, should we say "gun fancier?" Like, the crazy person just got done reading "gun fancy" magazine, lol.

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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by Seth » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:29 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Seth wrote:The pervasiveness of affordable video cameras has a lot to do with the apprehension rate.
What will happen when google glasses become all pervasive.

Such technology will also include the technology to determine which google glass devices were in the vicinity of an event at a given time, and so if a crime happens, the first thing that law enforcement will do is grab the videos from all area google glasses and other such devices. The only way to be off camera is to be alone and without google glasses, and if law enforcement pinpoints you in an area where a crime was committed and you were the only one there...well, res ipsa loquitur....
I'll be happy when the Supreme Court rules (finally) that video and audio recording of public servants (police in particular) in the performance of their official duties is a right of the public and that such public employees have NO reasonable expectation of privacy in their public and official acts and duties.
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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by Warren Dew » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:27 pm

MiM wrote:Warren, you fail to reference your graph for Germany
There's a link right underneath the graph. Feel free to read it and revise your post accordingly.

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Re: The Curious Case of the Fall in Crime.

Post by Warren Dew » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:29 pm

Seth wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Seth wrote:The pervasiveness of affordable video cameras has a lot to do with the apprehension rate.
What will happen when google glasses become all pervasive.

Such technology will also include the technology to determine which google glass devices were in the vicinity of an event at a given time, and so if a crime happens, the first thing that law enforcement will do is grab the videos from all area google glasses and other such devices. The only way to be off camera is to be alone and without google glasses, and if law enforcement pinpoints you in an area where a crime was committed and you were the only one there...well, res ipsa loquitur....
I'll be happy when the Supreme Court rules (finally) that video and audio recording of public servants (police in particular) in the performance of their official duties is a right of the public and that such public employees have NO reasonable expectation of privacy in their public and official acts and duties.
More and more lower courts have made that ruling. For some reason, the governments involved are not appealing to the Supreme Court - perhaps because they know they'll lose.

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