Audley Strange wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:rEvolutionist wrote:I don't know why he (Obama) keeps spouting this stuff. He rarely delivers. And as pointed out in other threads, he's more of a neocon than Bush was. America is fucked.
Neoconservatism is basically paleoliberalism, in the vein of JFK, Truman, Johnson and Hubert Humphrey. They are a reaction to what was the "New Left" and McGovern's faction of liberalism. I wonder sometimes at the strange hatred toward neoconservatism, since it shares the political philosophies of some of the guys that American liberals tend to worship. Neoconservatives = anti-communist liberals. They tend to support the New Deal "safety net" brand of welfare state, and they are generally cool with regulations and regulated markets, but they aren't cool with Marxism, communism, and Leftie politics as distinct from liberalism. Obama ain't no neoconservative.
Yeah and neo-fascism is basically non-interventionist socialism. Look something up sometime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
look something up next time?
Thanks for doing it for me -- if you scroll down to "Rejecting the New Left and mcGovern's Politics" you'll see substantiation for the view I posted. Paleoliberalism -- JFK, Truman, Johnson Humphrey -- anti-Soviet liberals -- rejection of the New Left. Rejection of McGovern.
As the policies of the New Left made the Democrats increasingly leftist, these intellectuals became disillusioned with President Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society domestic programs. The influential 1970 bestseller The Real Majority by Ben Wattenberg expressed that the "real majority" of the electorate endorsed economic liberalism but social conservatism, and warned Democrats it could be disastrous to adopt liberal positions on certain social and crime issues.[36]
The neoconservatives rejected the counterculture of the 1960s New Left, and what they considered anti-Americanism in the non-interventionism of the activism against the Vietnam War. After the anti-war faction took control of the party during 1972 and nominated George McGovern, the Democrats among them endorsed Washington Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson instead for his unsuccessful 1972 and 1976 campaigns for president. Among those who worked for Jackson were future neoconservatives Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, and Richard Perle.[37] During the late 1970s neoconservatives tended to endorse Ronald Reagan, the Republican who promised to confront Soviet expansionism.
In another (2004) article, Michael Lind also wrote [38]
Neoconservatism... originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry ('Scoop') Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves 'paleoliberals.' [After the end of the Cold War]... many 'paleoliberals' drifted back to the Democratic center... Today's neocons are a shrunken remnant of the original broad neocon coalition. Nevertheless, the origins of their ideology on the left are still apparent. The fact that most of the younger neocons were never on the left is irrelevant; they are the intellectual (and, in the case of William Kristol and John Podhoretz, the literal) heirs of older ex-leftists.
Sounds about right.
