I Didn’t Mean Muslim Ones!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And the Establishment Clause means we don't give them taxpayer money.

[maiforpeace]

I thought that American conservatives were supposed to be shit hot about the constitution?

We are. That's why the vouchers are usable for the Islamic schools as well as the Christian schools. They'd be usable for atheist schools as well.

Personally, I'd far rather have my daughter in a Wiccan school than in a public school.

Isn't the whole idea of supporting any religion via public funds against the spirit of your constitution?

What the constitution actually says is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

I think the law is very much in accord with both the spirit and the letter of the constitution. If anything, funding only secular nonreligious schools could be interpreted as violating the spirit of the second clause, as that restricts free exercise of religion.

How does that work? School is for learning, not exercising religion. Secular doesn't mean non-religious, it means separate from religion.

Unless, of course you think evolution is the religion of science or something.

[Warren Dew]

I thought that American conservatives were supposed to be shit hot about the constitution?

We are. That's why the vouchers are usable for the Islamic schools as well as the Christian schools. They'd be usable for atheist schools as well.

Personally, I'd far rather have my daughter in a Wiccan school than in a public school.

Isn't the whole idea of supporting any religion via public funds against the spirit of your constitution?

What the constitution actually says is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

I think the law is very much in accord with both the spirit and the letter of the constitution. If anything, funding only secular nonreligious schools could be interpreted as violating the spirit of the second clause, as that restricts free exercise of religion.

How does that work? School is for learning, not exercising religion. Secular doesn't mean non-religious, it means separate from religion.

Unless, of course you think evolution is the religion of science or something.

Evolution is not the only thing taught in schools. There is quite a bit of political indoctrination as well; in Massachusetts, the politically correct indoctrination is tantamount to religion.

[maiforpeace]

You want to be specific about politically correct indoctrination? In Massachusetts?

Do you mean stuff like the discovery of the new world by Columbus, also includes the mass extinction of native American tribes? Or that the wonderful industrial revolution also includes the pollution of our water, air, land and the extinction of animal species? That the virtues of abstaining from premarital sex have been sullied by the indoctrinating education about safe sex and the use of prophylactics?

I’d hardly call teaching new facts, what you call "indoctrination" tantamount to teaching religion.

[Warren Dew]

Among other subtler but more serious things, I'm talking about renaming the St. Patrick's day holiday so it doesn't involve a saint, and renaming Valentine's day so it doesn't have heterosexual overtones. If you're going to acknowledge the days, don't pervert the cultural significance.

[maiforpeace]

Among other subtler but more serious things, I'm talking about renaming the St. Patrick's day holiday so it doesn't involve a saint, and renaming Valentine's day so it doesn't have heterosexual overtones. If you're going to acknowledge the days, don't pervert the cultural significance.

Seriously?



That's what your worried about?

Sure, I'm with you on that.

[Ian]

Sounds reasonable to prefer a wiccan school to that madness.

[maiforpeace]

Sounds reasonable to prefer a wiccan school to that madness.

Yeah, they probably wouldn't recognize any of those holidays, so there wouldn't be anything to worry about.

[Warren Dew]

Among other subtler but more serious things, I'm talking about renaming the St. Patrick's day holiday so it doesn't involve a saint, and renaming Valentine's day so it doesn't have heterosexual overtones. If you're going to acknowledge the days, don't pervert the cultural significance.

Seriously?



That's what your worried about?

Sure, I'm with you on that.

It's just the visible tip of the iceberg.

To expand on one example, back when I actively supported gay marriage before it was allowed here in Massachusetts, proponents claimed that it would not substantially affect education, and I believed that. Nowadays, though, the educational material for grade schoolers gives prominent placement to gay couples, to the point where heterosexual marriages are portrayed as odd or inferior. That's not an accurate representation of reality, and it's really problematic for the education of heterosexual kids.

[JimC]

Among other subtler but more serious things, I'm talking about renaming the St. Patrick's day holiday so it doesn't involve a saint, and renaming Valentine's day so it doesn't have heterosexual overtones. If you're going to acknowledge the days, don't pervert the cultural significance.

I agree with you to an extent; there are definitely aspects of liberal political correctness which are both disturbingly revisionist and just plain silly.

[Svartalf]

Sounds reasonable to prefer a wiccan school to that madness.

Most wiccans are tossers quite as ridiculous as the chretins and mussulmen... possibly more so since there is no real tradition and "masters" tned to make shit up as they go along, which time has not had the opportunity to pare down yet.

[JimC]

Sounds reasonable to prefer a wiccan school to that madness.

Most wiccans are tossers quite as ridiculous as the chretins and mussulmen... possibly more so since there is no real tradition and "masters" tned to make shit up as they go along, which time has not had the opportunity to pare down yet.

And in Oz, at least one has used his position to become a sexual predator...

Priest or wiccan "master", the temptation to abuse power for personal gratification is virtually built in to the structure...

[Audley Strange]

Wicca seems to me, as I may have said before, like a dungeons and dragons game that's got out of hand and little else.

[Svartalf]

Thanks for insulting my hobby.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Nowadays, though, the educational material for grade schoolers gives prominent placement to gay couples, to the point where heterosexual marriages are portrayed as odd or inferior. That's not an accurate representation of reality, and it's really problematic for the education of heterosexual kids.