Unarmed teen shooting: the debate rages on...

[Thumpalumpacus]

The police aren't required to disclose any evidence to the suspect be it exculpatory, or inculpating, before arraignment. I don't have a problem with that, myself; indeed, I think that simply asking the suspect for his accounting of events, and comparing that to the evidence at hand, is likely to produce a better picture of events, by not cluttering the suspect's mind. Memory is a delicate thing, and should be left alone as much as possible.

I do think that the legality of lying to a suspect about evidence in their possession is bullshit, though. I think that telling a suspect "we've got a guy who'll put you at the scene with a gun in your hand" is corrosive of justice, n the sense that it undermines faith in the system.

[Warren Dew]

In many countries such as the United States, police or prosecutor are not required to disclose to the defendant any exculpatory evidence they possess before the defendant makes a plea (guilty or not guilty).

Where does it contradict that? Zimmerman doesn't make a plea till mid May.

Who is claiming otherwise?

The point is not that the evidence had to be given to Zimmerman, but rather that the prosecutor was obligated to take the evidence into account when deciding whether to file charges and what charges to file.

[mistermack]

Who is claiming otherwise?

The point is not that the evidence had to be given to Zimmerman, but rather that the prosecutor was obligated to take the evidence into account when deciding whether to file charges and what charges to file.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 5#p1165285

[FBM]

He made his plea: not guilty. http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... arance.pdf

[mistermack]

He made his plea: not guilty. http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... arance.pdf

According to that, he's waived his arraignment hearing. And requested disclosure of particulars of the case by April 27th.
So it would appear that Coito's Harvard professor was talking bollocks about the non-disclosure of the photo.

[JimC]

I think this is some type of record; as far as I remember, it's the only serious Ratz topic that has reached a length requiring locking and starting a "topic continued" thread...

[mistermack]

Another stupid thing in Zimmerman's "apology". He said, "I didn't know how old he was, I thought he was a little bit younger than me".
But he's already told the 911 operator that the kid was in his late teens, before he even killed him. So he made an accurate assessment of his age, even from a distance.

So he's showing that he's happy to change his story, to a more favourable one, now that he's having to answer for killing him. That's going to colour how the jury regards his testimony.

[FBM]

I think this is some type of record; as far as I remember, it's the only serious Ratz topic that has reached a length requiring locking and starting a "topic continued" thread...

What is the forum coming to?

[Clinton Huxley]

I think this is some type of record; as far as I remember, it's the only serious Ratz topic that has reached a length requiring locking and starting a "topic continued" thread...

What is the forum coming to?

It's a sign of the End Times, when bacon shall turn against cheese.

[FBM]

I think this is some type of record; as far as I remember, it's the only serious Ratz topic that has reached a length requiring locking and starting a "topic continued" thread...

What is the forum coming to?

It's a sign of the End Times, when bacon shall turn against cheese.

[mistermack]

I think this is some type of record; as far as I remember, it's the only serious Ratz topic that has reached a length requiring locking and starting a "topic continued" thread...

What is the forum coming to?

I know, boring ennit.
What we need is a nice new war, to liven things up.

They're NOT the Malvinas, they're the Falklands !!

[kiki5711]

Zimmerman is perfectly entitled to follow Martin and vice versa. Mere following and mere asking for an explanation of what someone is doing there, is not a license of Martin to attack Zimmerman, or vice versa.

With this kind of defense and reasoning we could have and additional thousands of murders claiming the same thing.

It's just a fact. If I walk out of my house today, and someone is walking in my neighborhood, I am 100% within my rights to walk up to that person and say "hey, what are you doing here?"

so would that also mean I can just walk through your neighborhood, I can walk up to a person that looks suspicious to me and ask them what they're doing there?

[FBM]

I think this is some type of record; as far as I remember, it's the only serious Ratz topic that has reached a length requiring locking and starting a "topic continued" thread...

What is the forum coming to?

I know, boring ennit.
What we need is a nice new war, to liven things up.

They're NOT the Malvinas, they're the Falklands !!

I just read that Sean Penn has chimed in again on that topic. But that's for another thread...not that it would be any more fun than this one, tho.

[kiki5711]

I think this is some type of record; as far as I remember, it's the only serious Ratz topic that has reached a length requiring locking and starting a "topic continued" thread...

What is the forum coming to?

I know, boring ennit.
What we need is a nice new war, to liven things up.

They're NOT the Malvinas, they're the Falklands !!

I just read that Sean Penn has chimed in again on that topic. But that's for another thread...not that it would be any more fun than this one, tho.

give us a link FBM, I'm curious.

[Svartalf]

Can I change the topic?

Do you think it would actually help?

No

Please, try again anyway, this undying monster needs some closure.