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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by mistermack » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:00 am

There's a gas pipeline that comes to my door, and right inside.

Never been a problem. Quite handy, actually.
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Post by Hermit » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:56 pm

mistermack wrote:There's a gas pipeline that comes to my door, and right inside.

Never been a problem. Quite handy, actually.
Same here. It's only 25 millimetres in diameter, though. And even if it ever leaked, it would never leak a few thousand or million barrels of oil. It would not poison the soil, pollute the water supply and kill flora and fauna.

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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by Forty Two » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:09 pm

Woodbutcher wrote:We just want to flush the dirty asphalt oil outta Canada. As soon as it crosses the border it's out of our hands....
Pipelines are fine, as long as they're not in the United States:






Things leak, which is why the hubbub is all about the Keystone Pipeline. That's the straw that breaks the camel's back....
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:15 pm

Tero wrote:Koch brothers already processing tons just outside Minneapolis:
The Minnesota refinery can process 392,000 barrels (62,300 m3) of crude a day, most of which comes from Alberta, Canada, and handles one quarter of all Canadian oil sands crude entering the U.S
My god, man... that sounds...sounds.... like... like....

....well, like actually a good thing. Minnesota refinery refines 2% of the crude refined per day in the US! Shocking! This cannot be allowed to continue...
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:25 pm

Pipelines are the worst way to move oil, except for all the other options. http://fortune.com/2016/08/28/pipelines ... transport/
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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by Tero » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:36 pm

The first 30 minutes of interrogation is with an economist. The Utilities board is not allowing discussion of environmental issues "because they have a permit." So the main part of the hearings, streaming here, deals with economic impact tot the farmers and the state in terms of tax income.
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Post by Tero » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:18 pm

Judge uses the word direct a lot, referring to the narrow scope she set for these direct exams
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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by mistermack » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:04 pm

The double standards of the Americans never cease to amaze me.

While they bend over backwards to give "native Americans" all of these special rights over their "ancestral homelands" they shit on native Palestinians as if they were dirt.

They should make their fucking minds up. Do native people have rights, or not?
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:19 pm

I wasn't aware that Palestinians were native to America.
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Post by mistermack » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:26 pm

Forty Two wrote:I wasn't aware that Palestinians were native to America.
They are, just like native Hawaiians are. But you wouldn't be aware of it, you believe the crap you're fed.
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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by Forty Two » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:47 pm

mistermack wrote:
Forty Two wrote:I wasn't aware that Palestinians were native to America.
They are, just like native Hawaiians are. But you wouldn't be aware of it, you believe the crap you're fed.
The Palestinians lived in America, and then migrated to the Levant, or something?

Of course native Hawaiians are native to Hawaii. That appears to be by definition. We aren't fed any information to suggest that native Hawaiians are not a native people from Hawaii.
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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by Tero » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:37 pm

Expensive to extract, refine

Mason said the biggest economic problem is that synthetic crude from the Canadian deposits is considered a lower-value product because it tends to be heavier, and thus more expensive to refine into gasoline and jet fuel. It's also more expensive to extract than other oils.

Producers have also found other ways to ship oil, primarily by train, and many are reluctant to sign long-term contracts with a pipeline that wouldn't go into operation for several more years, said Jeff Share, editor of the Houston-based Pipeline & Gas Journal, a leading industry publication. Given the difficulties, Share said TransCanada has probably a "50-50" chance of completing the project.

The five-member Nebraska Public Service Commission is supposed to decide by Nov. 23 whether the project serves the public's interests, based on evidence presented by attorneys in a formal legal proceeding beginning Monday and a series of public hearings held over the last few months. The elected commission is comprised of four Republicans and one Democrat.

Environmental opposition to the project has persisted in Nebraska, where opponents say the pipeline would pass through the Sandhills, an ecologically fragile region of grass-covered sand dunes, and would cross the land of farmers and ranchers who don't want it.

Nebraska law enforcement authorities already have had discussions with their counterparts in North Dakota about how that state handled widespread protests during construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline near the Standing Rock Indian Reservation, said Cody Thomas, a Nebraska State Patrol spokesman.
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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by JimC » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:12 pm

mistermack wrote:There's a gas pipeline that comes to my door, and right inside.

Never been a problem. Quite handy, actually.
You've also, quite obviously, got a highly productive internal gas line... :tea:
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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by mistermack » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:22 am

Forty Two wrote:
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Forty Two wrote:I wasn't aware that Palestinians were native to America.
They are, just like native Hawaiians are. But you wouldn't be aware of it, you believe the crap you're fed.
The Palestinians lived in America, and then migrated to the Levant, or something?

Of course native Hawaiians are native to Hawaii. That appears to be by definition. We aren't fed any information to suggest that native Hawaiians are not a native people from Hawaii.
Are they native Americans? (is the question you dodged)
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Re: Nebraska to resist pipeline route

Post by Forty Two » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:07 pm

I didn't dodge a question, I posed a question.

You dodged it. Care to answer it? Did the Palestinians live in America and then, like, migrate to the Levant, or something?

What is it that you mean by the US bending over backwards for Native Americans (who do live in the United States), but that we "shit on" Palestinians? If anyone is shitting on Palestinians, it would seem to be other Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, and/or Israelis.
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