Gadaffi was sodomised

[FBM]

The US didn't do much military intervention in Libya, if international media are reliable.

It is true that the media were usually not told where the dozens of attacks each day were located. The operation was carried out mainly in secrecy from the media - only people in denial would pretend that the US "didn't do much".

abc News, August 22nd 2011:-

Over the past 12 days, U.S. planes have flown 391 sorties for a total of 5,316 since April 1, according to figures provided by the Defense Department. That total includes 1,210 airstrike missions over the same three and a half month period. The U.S. has also conducted 101 Predator drone strike missions in Libya.

12 days, 101 drone strikes. I don't get "dozens of attacks each day" but I'm not a math(s) wiz.

[Exi5tentialist]

If it becomes a state living under strict Islamic law it'll pull itself together having a popular inclusive narrative. The alternative is fragmentation. There is no middle way, neo-liberal what not, rapidly rising food prices there will......disrupt things, have you factored in the coming food shortages as the old Gadaffi control economy fully disentegrates?

No, but I have factored in the islamophobia of most comment on western atheist websites.

[Exi5tentialist]

abc News, August 22nd 2011:-

Over the past 12 days, U.S. planes have flown 391 sorties for a total of 5,316 since April 1, according to figures provided by the Defense Department. That total includes 1,210 airstrike missions over the same three and a half month period. The U.S. has also conducted 101 Predator drone strike missions in Libya.

12 days, 101 drone strikes. I don't get "dozens of attacks each day" but I'm not a math(s) wiz.

You must have by-passed the 391 sorties in 12 days. I think your problems are more around reading english than doing maths.

[FBM]

abc News, August 22nd 2011:-

Over the past 12 days, U.S. planes have flown 391 sorties for a total of 5,316 since April 1, according to figures provided by the Defense Department. That total includes 1,210 airstrike missions over the same three and a half month period. The U.S. has also conducted 101 Predator drone strike missions in Libya.

12 days, 101 drone strikes. I don't get "dozens of attacks each day" but I'm not a math(s) wiz.

You must have by-passed the 391 sorties in 12 days. I think your problems are more around reading english than doing maths.

Ah. I misread. I thought the sorties took place elsewhere and only the Predator strikes were in Libya. My bad. I stand corrected.

[Exi5tentialist]

More mideast inter-tribal conflict? Who gives a shit? If they aren't killing each other over something like this they'll pick something else, like whether Mohammad's middle name was Omar or Fred. They like killing each other, it's their national pastime. I say leave them to it, maybe set up a Vegas book on it.

There's islamophobia, then there's racism. The two are very closely related, and atheism is often a cover for both.

[Exi5tentialist]

Ah. I misread. I thought the sorties took place elsewhere and only the Predator strikes were in Libya. My bad. I stand corrected.

ok.

(but 'elsewhere'? ... Blackpool?)

[Rum]

More mideast inter-tribal conflict? Who gives a shit? If they aren't killing each other over something like this they'll pick something else, like whether Mohammad's middle name was Omar or Fred. They like killing each other, it's their national pastime. I say leave them to it, maybe set up a Vegas book on it.

There's islamophobia, then there's racism. The two are very closely related, and atheism is often a cover for both.

I have read some grossly dumb things on this forum but I think this goes straight to the top of my list.

Jesus Christ in a helicopter.

[FBM]

Ah. I misread. I thought the sorties took place elsewhere and only the Predator strikes were in Libya. My bad. I stand corrected.

ok.

(but 'elsewhere'? ... Blackpool?)

Wouldn't rule Blackpool out just yet, but I thought it meant elsewhere in the Middle East. Wherever Bush inserted us, including Pakistan.

[Hermit]

There's a big difference between being innocent and not having been formally convicted.

You won't mind then, if I say that although you are not formally convicted of paedophilia, you are in no way necessarily innocent of the crime?

[FBM]

There's a big difference between being innocent and not having been formally convicted.

You won't mind then, if I say that although you are not formally convicted of paedophilia, you are in no way necessarily innocent of the crime?

Why would I mind that? The same can be said of anyone who hasn't been convicted of it. It's another issue if you were to accuse me of being a pedo, though.

[JimC]

More mideast inter-tribal conflict? Who gives a shit? If they aren't killing each other over something like this they'll pick something else, like whether Mohammad's middle name was Omar or Fred. They like killing each other, it's their national pastime. I say leave them to it, maybe set up a Vegas book on it.

There's islamophobia, then there's racism. The two are very closely related, and atheism is often a cover for both.

There is a connection, in that they are overlapping sets, but the connection is not deep or causal. It is true that right-wing nationalists attempt to use reasonable distrust of islamic fundamentalism as a cover for their own racism, which needs to be watched carefully...

But atheism is not a cover for both - it is not a movement in the sense you seem to think it is...

[Azathoth]

Ah. I misread. I thought the sorties took place elsewhere and only the Predator strikes were in Libya. My bad. I stand corrected.

ok.

(but 'elsewhere'? ... Blackpool?)

Wouldn't rule Blackpool out just yet, but I thought it meant elsewhere in the Middle East. Wherever Bush inserted us, including Pakistan.

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You said "inserted"... hehe hehe hehe...

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[Robert_S]

More mideast inter-tribal conflict? Who gives a shit? If they aren't killing each other over something like this they'll pick something else, like whether Mohammad's middle name was Omar or Fred. They like killing each other, it's their national pastime. I say leave them to it, maybe set up a Vegas book on it.

There's islamophobia, then there's racism. The two are very closely related, and atheism is often a cover for both.

There is a connection, in that they are overlapping sets, but the connection is not deep or causal. It is true that right-wing nationalists attempt to use reasonable distrust of islamic fundamentalism as a cover for their own racism, which needs to be watched carefully...

But atheism is not a cover for both - it is not a movement in the sense you seem to think it is...

Unless you mean cover as in a crowd to blend into. I really don't give much of a toss if someone fears Islam a little more than the evidence warrants, but is not going to give an ordinary moderate Muslim any shit over it. I really do care if someone uses atheism and the atheist to promote a fear and/or prejudice against brown skinned people just because they're brown skinned.

It's something we should watch out for.

[MrJonno]

Plenty of 'secular' and 'christian' racism against brown people/muslims but then again their is a lot of intra-islam racism against other muslims too

[JimC]

More mideast inter-tribal conflict? Who gives a shit? If they aren't killing each other over something like this they'll pick something else, like whether Mohammad's middle name was Omar or Fred. They like killing each other, it's their national pastime. I say leave them to it, maybe set up a Vegas book on it.

There's islamophobia, then there's racism. The two are very closely related, and atheism is often a cover for both.

There is a connection, in that they are overlapping sets, but the connection is not deep or causal. It is true that right-wing nationalists attempt to use reasonable distrust of islamic fundamentalism as a cover for their own racism, which needs to be watched carefully...

But atheism is not a cover for both - it is not a movement in the sense you seem to think it is...

Unless you mean cover as in a crowd to blend into. I really don't give much of a toss if someone fears Islam a little more than the evidence warrants, but is not going to give an ordinary moderate Muslim any shit over it. I really do care if someone uses atheism and the atheist to promote a fear and/or prejudice against brown skinned people just because they're brown skinned.

It's something we should watch out for.

Agreed, absolutely...

But neither is it something that should temper a robust critique of Islam, particularly its fundamentalist side...