Violation of Arizona law to be illegally in the US!

[Martok]

I hear lawyers are getting ready to file lawsuits on behalf of those that get stopped by police.

The starting gun will be Arizona's governor signing this bill into law.

[Martok]

Let the lawsuits begin!!

[Coito ergo sum]

I hear lawyers are getting ready to file lawsuits on behalf of those that get stopped by police.

I am sure they will, and if police stop people because of their race, as opposed to a reasonable suspicion of whether they are lawfully in the country, it will be a good lawsuit. I am sure they will also make constitutional arguments about whether States have the power to make this kind of law, or whether it is inherently a federal matter. That will be an interesting lawsuit in this case.

As I started this thread, the Constitution does not say that the federal government has the power to regulate immigration, but there is a Supreme Court case that gives it that power. The question is, is that power exclusive or can the States, under their general police powers, criminalize illegal presence in the US.

The starting gun will be Arizona's governor signing this bill into law.

It's going to be interesting. That's why I raised the thread.

What's really silly though is the knee-jerk cries of racism here. Most immigrants getting green cards are Mexican and most green card holders getting citizens are mexican and overall most immigration to the US is from Mexico. This country, the US, does NOT discriminate against Mexicans. They are welcomed in numbers far greater than from any other nation on the planet - if that is discrimination, someone is going to have to explain how.

And, nobody yet has been able to explain to me why the US should be obligation to allow people to stay in this country who knowingly break its immigration laws.

[Martok]

The starting gun will be Arizona's governor signing this bill into law.

It's going to be interesting. That's why I raised the thread.

I saw a republican "strategist" on MSNBC. He agrees with the "spirit" of the law but thinks its going to be headed to the US Supreme Court.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

When England ejects the Anglo-Saxons back to Germany and Holland, we'll talk about it.

Now you're talking!

And send them Celts back to where they came from, too. Coming over here taking jobs from the Beaker people.

[Pappa]

When England ejects the Anglo-Saxons back to Germany and Holland, we'll talk about it.

Now you're talking!

And send them Celts back to where they came from, too. Coming over here taking jobs from the Beaker people.

Current archaeological theory suggests there was no significant movement of peoples... only cultural transmission.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Current archaeological theory suggests there was no significant movement of peoples... only cultural transmission.

And that hasn't stopped despite the development of penicillin and condoms.

[Coito ergo sum]

The starting gun will be Arizona's governor signing this bill into law.

It's going to be interesting. That's why I raised the thread.

I saw a republican "strategist" on MSNBC. He agrees with the "spirit" of the law but thinks its going to be headed to the US Supreme Court.

Well, right. I'm not sure why someone would not agree with the "spirit" of the law, since the "spirit" of the law is that people who come into the United States illegally should not do so and if they are discovered they should be removed. The problem is not the "spirit" of the law, the problem is the difficult application of the law because police may see someone who looks Mexican or has an accent and use that as "reasonable suspicion" that one is an illegal alien.

I certainly understand people's objections or questions regarding this law. After all, natural born Americans can't usually prove their citizenship very easily. I mean, proof of citizen ship is a passport or a birth certificate - not a drivers license. There's no requirement that a person have a drivers license, unless one wants to drive a car. You don't even technically have to have a social security number. So, how is a police officer to know when to arrest someone? That's a fair question.

However, there was an executive order in Arizona confirming that race and ethnicity can not be used to determine "reasonable suspicion" and the law does not go into effect until the State Police come up with a reasonable policy for enforcement. So, so far, it certainly doesn't seem as if anyone's rights have been violated. If someone thinks they've been singled out because of their race, then they will have a nice lawsuit against the police department under 42 USC Sec. 1983 for civil rights violations under color of law.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

When England ejects the Anglo-Saxons back to Germany and Holland, we'll talk about it.

Now you're talking!

And send them Celts back to where they came from, too. Coming over here taking jobs from the Beaker people.

Current archaeological theory suggests there was no significant movement of peoples... only cultural transmission.

So you're telling me the Celts transmogrified from the Beaker? So they didn't rape and pillage their way over Europe and into Britton?
Methinks we'd better check under the patio's of those mud huts.

[Pappa]

So you're telling me the Celts transmogrified from the Beaker? So they didn't rape and pillage their way over Europe and into Britton?

Yup. According to current archaeological thought anyway.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So you're telling me the Celts transmogrified from the Beaker? So they didn't rape and pillage their way over Europe and into Britton?

Yup. According to current archaeological thought anyway.

You mean Hollywood got it wrong?

[Pappa]

So you're telling me the Celts transmogrified from the Beaker? So they didn't rape and pillage their way over Europe and into Britton?

Yup. According to current archaeological thought anyway.

You mean Hollywood got it wrong?

That would never happen, would it?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So you're telling me the Celts transmogrified from the Beaker? So they didn't rape and pillage their way over Europe and into Britton?

Yup. According to current archaeological thought anyway.

You mean Hollywood got it wrong?

That would never happen, would it?

Well, they got WWII right (John Wayne saved the world), so I guess I can give them this one.

[Pappa]

So you're telling me the Celts transmogrified from the Beaker? So they didn't rape and pillage their way over Europe and into Britton?

Yup. According to current archaeological thought anyway.

You mean Hollywood got it wrong?

That would never happen, would it?

Well, they got WWII right (John Wayne saved the world), so I guess I can give them this one.

And Inglorious Basterds, that's accurate, right?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And Inglorious Basterds, that's accurate, right?

Well, the best WWII movies was obviously "Top Secret", but I.B. was pretty good, true.