Media Bias

[Sean Hayden]

--meh, most guys own a gun because their dad did, and he probably taught them how to shoot and they enjoyed it.

The guy preparing for war is funny though.

[Cunt]

It's not 'preparing for war'. It just follows from those basic questions, and a respect that others are people too, that I think humans have the right to defend their property.

It pisses off commies to no end, who prefer that they can take any property they wish, for the commies.

Some governments are more serious about property rights than others. Some cultures, too.

[Sean Hayden]

If your guy isn't preparing for war then I probably wasn't talking about him.

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The gif Hermit posted is a better example. But even better are the many tactics training courses popping up everywhere. I'm telling you, it's only a matter of time before a group of trainees sets a new standard for mass shooters.

[Cunt]

See, guns aren't the dangerous thing. Men are.

There is no single creature so dangerous, as a man. Training, practice, strength and planning are WAY more dangerous than any gun.

But for many, the answer is for only the government to have guns. Some of them even think that when the 'bad guys' are in power.

To me it really does come down to whether you respect the property rights of people other than yourself. Trump believes (as far as I can tell) that you have the right to own things, and defend them.

Do you think the same of him?

[rainbow]

See, guns aren't the dangerous thing. Men are.

Especially men with small dicks. Shouldn't own guns, or sports cars.

[Cunt]

You should get exactly what you wish on your worst enemy.

Today, I wish mine improved core strength, and a 'found 20' in an old pair of jeans.

[rainbow]

You should get exactly what you wish on your worst enemy.

Unfair, since I've no enemies.

[Hermit]

So no?

It looks like you all think that others don't have the right to own, or defend their own property.

So yes. We all think that others do have the right to own, or defend their own property. We just don't live in a war zone, Daggles. Locking doors is our preferred method of defending life and property. It works very well too. Side benefits are lower rates of homicides, fewer deaths by accidental shooting, fewer deaths by police shootings and fewer deaths by opportunity shootings. As for the latter, search Google using these search terms: "road rage" and "killed". The number of reports where road rage has resulted in people being shot dead because a firearm happened to be close at hand is astounding. I am particularly impressed by one incident in which both parties succeeded in killing each other.

2 Concealed Carry Holders Kill Each Other In Road Rage Incident

Two men are dead after pulling guns on each other during a road rage incident on Wednesday night.

Police said the dispute began when one car was tailgating another in the Michigan town of Ionia, population 11,400.

Both drivers pulled into the parking lot of a local car wash and stepped out of their vehicles, according to ABC affiliate WZZM-TV. Witnesses said the tailgating driver fired first, and the other driver returned fire.

When ambulances arrived, the men — Ionia residents James Pullam, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 — were given medical care and transported to a local hospital, where they were pronounced dead, Detroit News reported.

Both men fired handguns and had valid licenses to carry concealed weapons, according to authorities, Detroit News said.

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah, that's been on the rise in Houston.

[Cunt]

So no?

It looks like you all think that others don't have the right to own, or defend their own property.

So yes. We all think that others do have the right to own, or defend their own property. We just don't live in a war zone, Daggles. Locking doors is our preferred method of defending life and property. It works very well too. Side benefits are lower rates of homicides, fewer deaths by accidental shooting, fewer deaths by police shootings and fewer deaths by opportunity shootings. As for the latter, search Google using these search terms: "road rage" and "killed". The number of reports where road rage has resulted in people being shot dead because a firearm happened to be close at hand is astounding. I am particularly impressed by one incident in which both parties succeeded in killing each other.

2 Concealed Carry Holders Kill Each Other In Road Rage Incident

Two men are dead after pulling guns on each other during a road rage incident on Wednesday night.

Police said the dispute began when one car was tailgating another in the Michigan town of Ionia, population 11,400.

Both drivers pulled into the parking lot of a local car wash and stepped out of their vehicles, according to ABC affiliate WZZM-TV. Witnesses said the tailgating driver fired first, and the other driver returned fire.

When ambulances arrived, the men — Ionia residents James Pullam, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 — were given medical care and transported to a local hospital, where they were pronounced dead, Detroit News reported.

Both men fired handguns and had valid licenses to carry concealed weapons, according to authorities, Detroit News said.

Those scary stories are all good reasons for you, but I asked about other people.

Do other people have the right to own and defend their property?

Simple question really.

If you can't answer it without stories and stuff, then I understand your answer to mean 'no', you do not recognize the property rights of individuals who are not you.

[Joe]

So no?

It looks like you all think that others don't have the right to own, or defend their own property.

So yes. We all think that others do have the right to own, or defend their own property. We just don't live in a war zone, Daggles. Locking doors is our preferred method of defending life and property. It works very well too. Side benefits are lower rates of homicides, fewer deaths by accidental shooting, fewer deaths by police shootings and fewer deaths by opportunity shootings. As for the latter, search Google using these search terms: "road rage" and "killed". The number of reports where road rage has resulted in people being shot dead because a firearm happened to be close at hand is astounding. I am particularly impressed by one incident in which both parties succeeded in killing each other.

2 Concealed Carry Holders Kill Each Other In Road Rage Incident

Two men are dead after pulling guns on each other during a road rage incident on Wednesday night.

Police said the dispute began when one car was tailgating another in the Michigan town of Ionia, population 11,400.

Both drivers pulled into the parking lot of a local car wash and stepped out of their vehicles, according to ABC affiliate WZZM-TV. Witnesses said the tailgating driver fired first, and the other driver returned fire.

When ambulances arrived, the men — Ionia residents James Pullam, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 — were given medical care and transported to a local hospital, where they were pronounced dead, Detroit News reported.

Both men fired handguns and had valid licenses to carry concealed weapons, according to authorities, Detroit News said.

Those scary stories are all good reasons for you, but I asked about other people.

Do other people have the right to own and defend their property?

Simple question really.

If you can't answer it without stories and stuff, then I understand your answer to mean 'no', you do not recognize the property rights of individuals who are not you.

Hermit's answered your question twice now Cunt. What part of

So yes. We all think that others do have the right to own, or defend their own property.

isn't clear?

[Brian Peacock]

I'm pretty sure that's completely wrong.

Well, it might not be entirely correct, but completely wrong?

[Cunt]

Hermit's answered your question twice now Cunt. What part of

So yes. We all think that others do have the right to own, or defend their own property.

isn't clear?

The narrative afterward, describing how terrible it is that people own guns, and make poor decisions.

If you agree that other people are allowed to own stuff, and defend it, then on what basis do you decide to take their stuff, or their chosen means of defending it?

Do you just use greater force, and call 'might makes right'?

[Joe]

Hermit's answered your question twice now Cunt. What part of

So yes. We all think that others do have the right to own, or defend their own property.

isn't clear?

The narrative afterward, describing how terrible it is that people own guns, and make poor decisions.

If you agree that other people are allowed to own stuff, and defend it, then on what basis do you decide to take their stuff, or their chosen means of defending it?

Do you just use greater force, and call 'might makes right'?

So why not accept his answer, instead of imposing conditions like,

If you can't answer it without stories and stuff, then I understand your answer to mean 'no', you do not recognize the property rights of individuals who are not you.

and move on and ask questions to clarify his follow on statement?

To your question. My take is that the basis of the limits on ownership and property defense rights is due process of law, under laws democratically created in accordance with our Constitution.

Hermit may have another answer of course.

[JimC]

Guns are tools for the emotionally and physically insecure. The presumed malignancy of others is just an excuse for the private ownership of something that gives people, typically men, a palpable sense of power, control, and authority over others. All so-called rational arguments for private gun ownership are post-hoc justifications which dress up emotions, desires, passions, and lusts as if they were reason. It's not the threat of severely limiting access to personal firearms which is emasculating, but the desire to possess and use them in the first place. The sense of power and pleasure experienced by gun owners is essentially no different to that experienced by the schoolboy who puts the ant under a magnifying glass to cook it or pulls the legs off a frog to watch it wriggle.

Just saying.

For some gun owners, probably the NRA types who buy a small arsenal to protect themselves from "others", there would be some truth in this picture. However, without the flavour of self-protection, guns can be both fun and useful. I know that you wouldn't hunt, Brian, but done ethically, it can provide food and/or cull feral animals causing environmental damage. Simple target shooting is also fun, and an interesting challenge.