Media Bias

[Joe]

If you need to doubt the numbers, that would be the way to doubt them.

I don't think it is important, as I don't have serious doubts about what he says, just because he's an asshole.

If you were interested in that aspect of vote fraud though, it would be an easy thing to independently check. If, however, you just wanted to act as cheerleader for the Harris/Biden administration, you can do that, too.

Well Cunt, you left out one of my options, which is I can act intelligently and verify what the Trump administration reported. I did this by reading court opinions, filings, and outside analyses. I also listened to Rudy Giuliani and checked out his claims, and made up my mind as to who was telling the truth.

I wasn't alone in this either. People here and on other fora, including my local newspaper, dug into Trump and Giuliani's claims of fraud and found them to be a mix of hyperbole, misrepresentation, and outright lies.

So if you can't be bothered to subject Crowder to the same level of scrutiny, why should I? If he had real proof of election fraud, he'd take it to the FBI.

[Cunt]

Sean, you keep not understanding. I would say it was deliberate, but you ARE relying on some sloppy cunt to explain Crowders case to you, so it's both our faults.

He used the database search to identify potential errors, then sent boots on the ground to look.

You could also do that, to tidy a voters database. I mean, if your vote was a concern of yours. It sounds like a good method, though would need pretty local attention to be worthwhile.

Though I remember hearing how the state employee said this information was verified by the state. Maybe you didn't, but it didn't sound very effective.

[Sean Hayden]

That's not what he did. He used his platform to claim he could prove massive voter fraud.

[Cunt]

That is what he did.

He also sent that tweet you mentioned.

Why would you suggest that he didn't do both? Why ignore the plain evidence he offered, that you could check into yourself?

I'm suspecting it has something to do with political affiliation. Can't see any other reason for it.

Next, you'll try to say that media bias doesn't favour one political side in the US. You might even believe it.

[Sean Hayden]

Crowder is claiming he can prove massive voter fraud like that claimed by Trump.

1. Crowder has only presented a handful of cases

2. He has been unable to demonstrate fraud rather than error in the cases he does present

3. At least a few of his cases rely on mistakes he made e.g. taking down the wrong address

4. He provides no comparison of his cases to existing fraud research, so we have no context to judge the relevance of his handful of cases

His use of the addresses was his proof.

[Cunt]

Whatever his results, his methods are good. Unless you think extra vote registrants or incorrect ones are no problem, then it's just noise.

I think there is a lot of 'framing' being done around the issue, and considering who has been winning the international game of 'Earths Treasure' lately, I'm a bit more skeptical of the popular sources. What he says may be equally wrong, but with him being so unpopular, I can believe very firmly that Sean H. will be very resistant to Crowders 'framing manipulations' and other tactics. So will lots of people. I bet the social media giants who suspend him without giving reason seem to be just free businesses doing free business things, but those people are giving a 'tell'.

This particular 'tell' is that they have not been in charge of a business that would engage in commerce with a social media platform. If they did, they would realize that being arbitrary and politically biased in application of the rules becomes a more valid concern.

If they make a public square, and sell tickets to a gullible business community, do you think they have any responsibility to deliver what they promise?

[Sean Hayden]

Can't see any other reason for it.

The crazy thing is that you're trying to find a reason for something that isn't happening.

Why would you suggest that he didn't do both?

"Both" presumably being making the claim that he can prove voter fraud, and his gathering a list of "bogus" addresses as proof.

All 4 points above raise issues with his use of those addresses as evidence of voter fraud. They acknowledge his evidence, and deal with it.

Yet you're claiming to be struggling with how I can ignore his evidence. --incredible, and exactly why you're consistently called out for trolling.

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I see you've fallen back to insisting the real issue is an unwillingness to hear someone out on account of bias.

I think I've been too willing to look into these issues with you. Smarter folk than me just ignore it.

[JimC]

Yes we do, Sean...

[Sean Hayden]

I know! He doesn't realize how lucky he is to have me.

[Cunt]

Can't see any other reason for it.

The crazy thing is that you're trying to find a reason for something that isn't happening.

Why would you suggest that he didn't do both?

"Both" presumably being making the claim that he can prove voter fraud, and his gathering a list of "bogus" addresses as proof.

All 4 points above raise issuess with his use of those addresses as evidence of voter fraud. They acknowledge his evidence, and deal with it.

Yet you're claiming to be struggling with how I can ignore his evidence. --incredible, and exactly why you're consistently called out for trolling.

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I see you've fallen back to insisting the real issue is an unwillingness to hear someone out on account of bias.

I think I've been too willing to look into these issues with you. Smarter folk than me just ignore it.

Bringing things back to the thread topic is a habit. I think we disagree about the utility of the kind of research he describes, too (voter rolls vs delivery databases to identify areas of interest)

That's ok, but I still think it sounds like a way for individuals to check their nearby areas. You can think so or not, but that is the 'evidence' I'm talking about.

I also think it is a framing trap, deliberately set by Crowder, so don't think I'm swallowing anything. This thread is about media bias, and he plays in because of his lawsuit. Agreeable media companies like twitter and facebook occasionally suspend him, adding to his story.

[Joe]

I know! He doesn't realize how lucky he is to have me.

Ain't it the truth!

If you keep it up, you could become the first atheist saint. Picture it - Saint Sean, The Unbeliever.

[Cunt]

A canticle for Hayden.

[JimC]

"Oh Lord, I disbelieve. Help mine disbelief..."

[Cunt]

"and also with you..."

[Sean Hayden]

--careful guys, that's the kind of thing to go straight to my head. I'll be asking for indulgences before long.