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Re: Straya!

Post by JimC » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:33 am

Well, I would still call that sucking up to Islam. Leaving the whole Hanson issue to one side, the full Burka thing has 2 implications worth considering:

1. Security - it is a perfect cover for a suicide bomber

2. It is a clear and straightforward example of the oppression of women by the Islamic faith (or at least components of it)

Banning it is another level, with tricky implications, but criticising or mocking it is entirely reasonable...
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Post by Hermit » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:51 am

JimC wrote:Well, I would still call that sucking up to Islam. Leaving the whole Hanson issue to one side, the full Burka thing has 2 implications worth considering:

1. Security - it is a perfect cover for a suicide bomber

2. It is a clear and straightforward example of the oppression of women by the Islamic faith (or at least components of it)

Banning it is another level, with tricky implications, but criticising or mocking it is entirely reasonable...
Leaving the whole Hanson issue to one side is to ignore the central point of the Attorney General's reply. I don't think he was discussing the merits of allowing Burkas to be worn when entering a bank, having a passport or driver's license photo taken, or the status of Muslim women. He was replying to the tenor of that racist fuck's question. In that context Brandis said the exact right things, which can be summarised in unparliamentary language as: "Don't be such a racist fuck, you racist fuck. You are insulting half a million law-abiding Australians because they a) they follow a religion different to yours and b) they tend not to be Caucasians."
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Post by JimC » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:22 am

Look, I am perfectly aware that Hanson's remarks reflects her deep distaste for brown people. And, there is some pragmatic merit in the Brandis point that such insults to muslims may make it difficult to work effectively with moderate muslims to oppose the jihadists. However, deep down, the burka is a fucking awful thing, and all the PC in the world can't change that...
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:13 am

Bahaha, new news in, Deputy Leader of the National Party, Fiona Nash has just learnt she's a dual British citizen. This is fucking comical. And anyone who's watched parliament question time the last few days would enjoy the hay Labour has been making over this. Some classic put downs and pisstakes. :lol:
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Post by Hermit » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:19 am

JimC wrote:Look, I am perfectly aware that Hanson's remarks reflects her deep distaste for brown people. And, there is some pragmatic merit in the Brandis point that such insults to muslims may make it difficult to work effectively with moderate muslims to oppose the jihadists. However, deep down, the burka is a fucking awful thing, and all the PC in the world can't change that...
All true. However, I was reponding to your comment about suckage, not your fucking beef with burkas, the status of Muslim women and so on, all of which I share, by the way. Get it already?
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:26 am

I'm honestly surprised at Brandis's outrage. He's a fairly large cunt face. I don't know why he cares that much. He doesn't care about anyone else other than his elite friends.
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Post by Hermit » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:33 am

May be there's a glimmer of classic liberalism left in him.

It will pass. :ddpan:
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:34 am

Remember last year when he was going on about everyone's right to be a bigot? He must be on his period or something.
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Post by JimC » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:43 am

Let's be a little cynical, folks. It positions him as "I'm not a racist bitch like Hanson"...

good spin...
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Post by Hermit » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:44 am

pErvin wrote:Remember last year when he was going on about everyone's right to be a bigot? He must be on his period or something.
Definitely not typical of the so-called Liberal Party today. Note the less than lukewarm reaction he got from his side of the Upper House.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:59 am

Yeah, that was the most striking thing. Most of them barely even clapped, let alone stand up like Labor, Greens and the indies.
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Re: Straya!

Post by JimC » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:03 am

Hermit wrote:
pErvin wrote:Remember last year when he was going on about everyone's right to be a bigot? He must be on his period or something.
Definitely not typical of the so-called Liberal Party today. Note the less than lukewarm reaction he got from his side of the Upper House.
Yes, that was noteworthy, I must admit...
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:01 pm

That type of burqa that Hanson was wearing apparently by muslims is called a Shuttlecock burqa and is only worn in Afghanistan.
Here we dont ban them but make it impossible to wear.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:44 pm

"Wat is het een gezellig boel hier".

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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:00 pm

In my experience they wear it because men. That in my opinion does not exclude them wearing it because they are religious. Or do many girls choose the religion of their household growing up? :dunno:
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