JimC wrote:Seth wrote:JimC wrote:Blind groper wrote:Seabass
I do not think anyone believes that America is uniquely evil. Britain has a history full of arrogance and atrocities.
My view, though, is that we should have learned by now. Britain is mostly, today, pretty civilised. It has its lapses, of course. However, the US administration appears to be determined to lower the standard.
And the Cuban example makes such a pointed comparison in regard to present-day actions by nation states; as you said, only the US (and its toady) voted against, so it is clearly an emotional act of vindictiveness, and/or a fear of hispanic voter backlash, rather than a principled and rational decision. And this from a nation that prides itself on being advanced, and setting an ethical tone for relations between nations.
How else is the US to show it's deep and abiding disgust and disapproval of Marxism and the Castro regime and put pressure on the regime to relent and free its people? It's no different than embargoing North Korea, which also refuses to be even moderately rational in its political actions.
The US would be foolish to allow, much less assist the Castro regime in flourishing economically, because that would merely perpetuate the evil that is Marxism 90 miles off our coast. Sorry, that's intolerable, so we won't support it.
!. There are no longer nuclear missiles in Cuba...
That's because we've kept the leash on Castro all these years.
2. The North Korean example is very different. It is constantly making military threats against its neighbour and the US itself, has tested nuclear weapons, and is developing missile technology. Embargoes of various kinds are perfectly appropriate in this situation, and, tellingly, are applied by a good fraction of the world's nations, not just the US.
That's exactly what Castro did back when, and there's no evidence that he or his regime have changed their tune one iota. Therefore until the Castro regime has been overthrown and replaced with a non-Marxist elected government it's necessary and appropriate to keep the pressure on. The US embargo shut Castro up, but it didn't change his political agenda at all.
3. Marxism isn't an infectious disease prevented by quarantine.
Yes, it is. The more quarantine the better. But the quarantine against Marxist ideology is not the point of the embargo, protection of the United States from an implacable foe who for more than 50 years has been, and continues to be a very real national security threat 90 miles offshore.
As you well know, it is simply a failed politico-economic system whose days are over - Cuba is little by little going down the free enterprise path anyway. Are you so fearful of how robust your system is that you think a tiny island nation can convert you all to evil Marxists just because you remove an embargo?
No, but it's a good idea to quarantine the disease of Marxism when and where possible, in part because it helps to cure the disease in those who come to understand that the political indoctrination and tyranny that they live under is inherently evil and it is in the interests of their children to make it go away. It's a huge mistake to allow Marxism to even appear to be successful by allowing Marxists to co-opt free enterprise as a tool to further strengthen Marxism. That's exactly and precisely what China has done, to our detriment and we should be ashamed of allowing a dime's worth of investment in the Chinese economy until the Communists are out of power. At this moment, Americans are funding the massive expansion of the Communist Chinese military. They are ready to float their very first aircraft carrier group, which poses an enormous security risk to the whole world. They are also expanding and arming their land forces, particularly in northern China, with the eventual plan of going to war with Russia over the mineral resources of Sibera and the 'stans. You don't hear about this much because it's not "news" at the moment, but it's going on and China is becoming a severe threat to world peace and the Communist's pretensions to empire are being funded by the rest of the world buying crap from their "free market" economy, which is anything but "free." It just appears that way, but in reality it's very carefully and tightly controlled by the Central Committee.
It's a mistake to allow tourism or anything else to enter Cuba because it makes the people who should be rising up to cast off the Castro regime think that it's really not all that bad. It's bread and circuses, nothing more. If we want to send stuff to Cuba, it should be C-130s filled with Liberty Pistols airdropped all over the country.
What brought down the wall in Berlin was the exploding economy of West Germany with all it's perks of being free mere feet away from the oppression and destitution of Communist East Germany. The people of East Germany saw what they could have, but were being denied by Marxism, and they rebelled until the wall came down.
That's what needs to happen in Cuba.
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