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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:24 pm

America in 2020: Heard the one about the Jewish doctor, the Black nurse and the Nazi patient?


A thought experiment: Imagine that you are a doctor. Moreover, imagine that you are a doctor who is Jewish or Muslim or Black or brown or gay or lesbian or trans or differently abled, or a member of some other group which the Nazis and other white supremacists are likely to deem subhuman and not worthy of life.

What would you do if a neo-Nazi or an obvious white supremacist emblazoned with emblems of hate came into your emergency room, critically ill with from COVID-19?

Dr. Taylor Nichols, an emergency room physician at Mercy San Juan Medical Center in Carmichael, California, recently had that experience. On Monday, Nichols shared this on Twitter:
He came in by ambulance short of breath. Already on CPAP by EMS. Still, he was clearly working hard to breathe. He looked sick. Uncomfortable. Scared.

As we got him over to the gurney and his shirt off to switch a a hospital gown, we all noticed the number of Nazi tattoos.

He was solidly built. Older. His methamphetamine use over the years had taken its usual toll and his teeth were all but gone.

The swastika stood out boldly on his chest. SS tattoos and other insignia that had previously been covered by his shirt were now obvious to the room.

"Don't let me die, doc." He said breathlessly as the RT switched him over from CPAP by EMS to our mask and machine.

I reassured him that we were all going to work hard to take care of him and keep him alive as best as we could.

All of us being a team that included a Jewish physician, a Black nurse, and an Asian respiratory therapist.

We all saw. The symbols of hate on his body outwardly and proudly announced his views. We all knew what he thought of us. How he valued our lives.

Yet here we were, working seamlessly as a team to make sure we gave him the best chance to survive that we could. All while wearing masks, gowns, face shields, gloves. The moment perfectly captured what we are going though as healthcare workers as this pandemic accelerates.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:49 am

Covid-19 has a natural R0 number of around 3-3.5 and is around 50x more likely to kill you than the flu if you get it. It has an infectious asymptomatic period of 1-2 weeks and is predominantly communicated between humans by proximity. This is all the information you need in order to deal with it as a public health emergency. Among all the fuss and blather about masks and lockdown, herd immunity, state intervention in the economy, schools, Bill Gates 5G conspiracies, freedom and liberty, whatever, the things we know about Covid-19 mean it can't be ignored or brushed under the carpet. If politicians have been ignoring the facts, or have been ignorant of them while sitting on their hand or arguing the toss about the 'cure being worse than the disease' then they're either incompetent or negligent. Either way they're unfit for office. But if they've deliberately used their authority and office to mislead the public about Covid-19 and the risk it presents to public health then they've been directly responsible for preventable deaths - and that's criminal.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by JimC » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:28 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:49 am
Covid-19 has a natural R0 number of around 3-3.5 and is around 50x more likely to kill you than the flu if you get it. It has an infectious asymptomatic period of 1-2 weeks and is predominantly communicated between humans by proximity. This is all the information you need in order to deal with it as a public health emergency. Among all the fuss and blather about masks and lockdown, herd immunity, state intervention in the economy, schools, Bill Gates 5G conspiracies, freedom and liberty, whatever, the things we know about Covid-19 mean it can't be ignored or brushed under the carpet. If politicians have been ignoring the facts, or have been ignorant of them while sitting on their hand or arguing the toss about the 'cure being worse than the disease' then they're either incompetent or negligent. Either way they're unfit for office. But if they've deliberately used their authority and office to mislead the public about Covid-19 and the risk it presents to public health then they've been directly responsible for preventable deaths - and that's criminal.
So true...

Here, many of us have been surprised by the generally solid response by our politicians, of both main parties, who, when explaining their strong measures, collectively drummed in the message "we're following the science"...

It worked...
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by rainbow » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:01 am

Seabass wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:24 pm

We all saw. The symbols of hate on his body outwardly and proudly announced his views. We all knew what he thought of us. How he valued our lives.
Overt racists like this are often very insecure people. These symbols are there so that they can fit into a group of fellow mindless haters.
They should be pitied.

The dangerous racists are those who know how to hide it well.

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:42 am

Yep. The dangerous racist is the guy in a suit saying, "I don't hate Black people, but we need to have a sensible conversation about how we can protect our community."
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by NineBerry » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:17 pm

Rudy Giuliani has the Rona. :bored:

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:52 pm

Oh dear. I do hope he's OK.

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:58 pm

NineBerry wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:17 pm
Rudy Giuliani has the Rona. :bored:
I did not see that coming. No, seriously. I'd have figured he'd already had it...
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:22 am

So Republicans bemoan "blue state bailouts" even though red states need help much more than blue ones. And Republicans are actually defunding the police even as they accuse Democrats of doing so.

The GOP Is Fighting to Block Red-State Bailouts


For eight months now, Mitch McConnell has been preventing the federal government from providing fiscal aid to America’s state and municipal governments. The Senate Majority Leader and his far-right colleagues have obstructed such aid even though:

The Chamber of Commerce and National Governors Association (NGA) have both lobbied Congress in favor of fiscal relief, while Republican senators from Louisiana and Mississippi sponsored a bill that would have delivered $500 billion worth of it.

The federal government can borrow money at near-zero interest rates and print the world’s reserve currency, while states and cities cannot. Thus, if Uncle Sam does not share his fiscal capacity with America’s sub-federal governments, they will need to raise taxes or slash spending — precisely what you don’t want the public sector to do amid low inflation and high unemployment.

Since fiscal aid to states is a top Democratic priority, opposing the policy meant killing any prospect for a second stimulus package, which meant allowing many of the CARES Act’s relief measures to expire before Election Day, which very well might have cost Donald Trump reelection.

McConnell articulated the right’s rationale for opposing fiscal aid in mid-April, when he suggested cash-strapped states should file for bankruptcy, and then circulated a memo of anti-fiscal-relief talking points titled, “Stopping Blue State Bailouts.” That phrase, and the idea it conveyed — that delivering fiscal aid to states really meant bailing out corrupt Democratic machines — came to dominate right-wing media coverage of the issue, thereby reinforcing the Senate GOP’s intransigence.

This week, a bipartisan group of senators reached agreement around a framework for a $908 billion COVID relief package. The Democratic Party’s congressional leaders have endorsed the outline. It includes $160 billion in aid to states, a small fraction of what some congressional Republicans and governors have called for. And yet, as of this writing, McConnell has refused to endorse the framework, while Senate conservatives have lambasted it for its provision on state aid. Florida senator Rick Scott suggested he might oppose such legislation, as it would “spend hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer money to bail out wasteful states.”

It’s not often that one hears a senator disparage the state they represent. Yet that is, apparently, what Scott did Thursday. After all, few “wasteful states” need federal aid more desperately than his own. As the Orlando Sentinel reports:
Facing a $2.7 billion budget shortfall, legislative leaders are searching for ways to raise new revenue, although not through tax hikes, along with cuts to education and health care to fill the gap when they return to the Capitol in March.

The shortfall for the budget year that begins in July was caused by a series of falling dominoes, starting when the coronavirus pandemic shut down the tourism industry in the spring and early summer.
Six of the seven states projected to suffer the largest revenue declines over the next two years voted for Donald Trump in 2020, and are run by Republican governors, according to a report from Moody’s Analytics. Florida is among America’s most cash-strapped states, facing a revenue decline of more than 10 percent.

Rick Scott is not unaware of budget realities in his home state. And McConnell isn’t ignorant of fiscal woes in the red, oil- and gas-producing states of Louisiana, Wyoming, Alaska, and North Dakota. The “blue-state bailout” lie isn’t solely intended to justify the GOP’s stance to any swing voters who might be paying attention to stimulus talks; it’s also designed to hide the party’s true priorities from its own constituents.

The conservative movement has been trying to shrink the fiscal capacity of state governments for decades. But when they’ve actually tried to implement this agenda forthrightly — as they did in Sam Brownback’s Kansas — many GOP voters discovered that they did not actually support “small government,” if that phrase was defined as “defunding public education to make it easier for wealthy business owners to renovate their McMansions.”

But the pandemic provides conservatives with a means of forcing austerity on nearly every state in the union, while making their work look like an act of God. To the lay observer, the Republican Party didn’t force Florida to cut education funding, the pandemic did.

Notably, it isn’t just school funding that Republicans are indirectly forcing states to cut. One maddening irony of contemporary American politics is that the “Defund the Police” protest movement was seen as a liability for Joe Biden in the 2020 election, even though the actual policy of the Democratic Party is to provide states and cities with roughly $1 trillion in federal aid — more than enough to avert deficit-induced cuts to police budgets — while the actual policy of the Republican Party is, in effect, to cut the number of working police officers in the United States. As the New York Times reports:
In Kansas City, Mo., with a municipal budget of $1.7 billion, the city manager has asked each department to draft a plan for cuts of more than 11 percent. That could mean laying off 200 police officers from the 1,300-member force and 180 firefighters and emergency medical technicians, said Dan Fowler, a City Council member.

“This is one of the things that keeps me up at night,” Mr. Fowler said, thinking about the impact on the city’s half a million residents. Such cuts could end up closing one or two police stations, even though crime is rising, he said.
In a well-functioning republic, it would not be politically viable for the Republican Party to force unwanted austerity on its own voters through incessant lying. Fortunately for the GOP, the United States is no such polity — and the conservative movement is doing its utmost to ensure that we never will be.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:39 am

In everyday life that kind of sociopathic behaviour might get someone what they want in the short-term, but in the end they'll piss enough people off for it to become counter production - self-defeating, self-sabotage. A true sociopath won't give a toss that they're making things difficult for themselves, because their priorities are not rationally explainable in those terms and because their motivation is control over people and circumstances in the moment - as long as they win now it doesn't matter that as a result they might lose later, they'll just play that later situation for the win as well.

In competitive areas like politics and business however, that kind of behaviour can be very useful and the closer a sociopath gets to the the top of an organisation the more that organisation tends to support, facilitate, and even reward it. Sociopaths are unreasonable people, in both senses of the word, and that works very well in politics in particular.

Nonetheless, viewing someone like McConnell as being the 'sufferer' of an anti-social behavioural disorder doesn't change anything in a practical sense. There's literally nothing one can say to a real sociopath that can touch them or make them reflect on their own behaviour or their impact on others. They are literally unshameable to any practical degree and completely untouchable within the domain of their own motivation and experience.

These are my thoughts after reading that article, but I think one can recognise sociopathic traits in a lot of political operators - but without some kind of socially-endorsed psychological screening these kinds of people are always going to find the domain of politics an encouraging arena through which to express their anti-social impulses.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Tero » Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:59 pm

Going to a bar with a bartender wearing a mask seems to be a new tease, men googling them like strippers
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/co ... r_covid19/
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Tero » Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:17 pm

Experts label stupidity as "behavior and cold weather." https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/07/health/u ... index.html

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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Svartalf » Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:56 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:52 pm
Oh dear. I do hope he's OK.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Snape Svarty. Alan Rickman.
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Re: The Trump Pandemic

Post by Seabass » Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:29 pm

It looks like Ron DeathSantis is going full fascist:

https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1 ... 7900145665

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Secrecy and spin: How Florida’s governor misled the public on the COVID-19 pandemic


Throughout the COVID-19 crisis in Florida, Gov. Ron DeathSantis’ administration engaged in a pattern of spin and concealment that misled the public on the gravest health threat the state has ever faced, a South Florida Sun Sentinel investigation has found.

DeathSantis, who owes his job to early support from President Donald Trump, imposed an approach in line with the views of the president and his powerful base of supporters. The administration suppressed unfavorable facts, dispensed dangerous misinformation, dismissed public health professionals, and promoted the views of scientific dissenters who supported the governor’s approach to the disease.

The DeathSantis administration’s approach to managing COVID-19 information carries costs. It supports a climate in which people proudly disdain masks, engage in dangerous group activities that could spread the disease, and brush aside information that conflicts with their political views. With partygoers packing Florida bars and holiday travelers filling hotels and guest rooms, the state faces a few difficult months before the possible relief of vaccines.

These findings are based on interviews with more than 50 people, including scientists, doctors, political leaders, employees of the state health department, and other state officials, as well as more than 4,000 pages of documents:
  • The Florida Department of Health’s county-level spokespeople were ordered in September to stop issuing public statements about COVID-19 until after the Nov. 3 election.
  • The DeathSantis administration refused to reveal details about the first suspected cases in Florida, then denied the virus was spreading from person to person — despite mounting evidence that it was.
  • State officials withheld information about infections in schools, prisons, hospitals and nursing homes, relenting only under pressure or legal action from family members, advocacy groups and journalists.
  • The DeathSantis administration brushed aside scientists and doctors who advocated conventional approaches to fighting the virus, preferring scientists on the fringes who backed the governor’s positions.
  • The governor’s spokesman regularly takes to Twitter to spread misinformation about the disease, including the false claim that COVID was less deadly than the flu.
  • The governor highlighted statistics that would paint the rosiest picture possible and attempted to cast doubt on the validity of Florida’s rising death toll.
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