Cormac wrote:Seth wrote:Cormac wrote:
There is no possibility of ANY lasting peace while injustice, oppression, and military force persists.
Unless Israel either kills all Palestinians, or forces them all to leave the region - this conflict will persist. This is because Israel was founded in a disgusting and brutal injustice which has been enforced by the West since.
Israel knows it cannot overtly do this in one step. So it is doing it slowly.
Strangely, Israel has been trying to live in peace with the occupants of Gaza and the West Bank, which they RETURNED to the "Palestinians" after the 67 war, for a long time. That's why the West Bank and Gaza even exist.
Here is a question for you:
Why do you think that Israel continues to sieze more and more land?
Because all of their attempts at a peaceful resolution and coexistence with the "Palestinians" have been rebuffed with violence, and the Israelis are sick and tired of Gaza being a base of operations for Islamic terrorists who have no other agenda than the death of every Jew on earth and the extirpation of Israel as a nation.
Both the West Bank and Gaza, along with the whole of the Sinai BELONG TO ISRAEL by right of conquest over the previous owners who belligerently attacked and attempted to wipe out Israel and the Jews in 1967. Those belligerent nations, including Jordan, Syria, and Egypt were handily whipped into submission in SIX DAYS by the Israelis.
The punishment for levying war and then losing has always traditionally been loss of captured territories and/or loss of national identity and sovereignty.
Having tried to live together with the "Palestinians" in peace for decades, only to be attacked repeatedly for doing so, Israel is rightfully retaking what they won in the war, mostly in order to deny the "Palestinian" terrorists bases of operation from which to launch attacks on Israel.
Now let me ask YOU a question:
Why is it that neither Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, or Lebanon have offered to grant lands to their Islamic "Palestinian" brothers and give them a homeland out of THEIR national holdings in order to end the hostilities?
There is no right of conquest, under International Law.
Who gives a flying fuck about International law? Conquest is conquest. Unless somebody with more power than the conqueror is willing to come to the aid of the conquered nation, it's a done deal. You do understand that the "international" borders in that region have been shifting for some thousands of years don't you?
And supporters of Israel should be thankful that there isn't - because some day the tables could turn, and what would Israel do if it was overrun?
Nuke the capitol city of whichever nation tries to overrun it, and ask the US, the most powerful military in the world, to assist them...which we would...even if it took impeaching Obama to do it.
I don't care what benighted shitholes like Syria, Jordan, Saudi, or Lebanon do. I have no expectations of them other than three of them continuing to be Western stooges, and the other the pawn in an ongoing game between Iran, Israel, and various others.
I know you don't care, but my point is made. You're a hypocrite.
Israel claims to be a democracy, and gets support from the EU. I don't like the policies the EU is following. I don't like sectarian states. I don't like collective punishments. I will criticise Israel, because it gets political legitimacy for its behaviour from a body to whom I have delegate my little piece of sovereignty.
Well, that was a remarkably stupid thing to do, wasn't it? Live and learn. Maybe next time you'll think before you delegate your sovereignty to the collective.
I don't see Palestinian people as Muslims - they could easily stop being Muslims, the same way they stopped being whatever religion they were before Islam. Neither do I see them as arabs - I see them as human beings.
Doesn't matter what you see. There are none so blind as those who will not see, and you're a perfect example. They may be human beings, but they are human beings who are, as a matter of religious fervor, dedicated to extirpating Jews and Israel from the face of the earth. I didn't make this up, THEY KEEP ON SAYING IT THEMSELVES. I'm going to take them at their word. And I'm going to support Israel and anybody who opposes radical Islam, which is a danger to the entire planet.
Suggesting, as you do, that they should move*, is akin to saying that the "races" should be segregated, and that this is a desireable and natural state of affairs. If this is a strawman - tell me why.
The question was intended to point out the fact that none of their Muslim "brothers" are willing to partition out a homeland for "Palestinians" from THEIR land, they just want to eliminate Israel and the Jews and they are happy to use "Palestinian" women, children and other non-combatants as pawns in the Jihad against Israel and the advancement of the World Caliphate. First Israel, then the world...
Unfortunately for them, and fortunately for Israel, the Jews are determined not to be extirpated, and are ready, willing and able to extirpate a whole bunch of Muslims to prove that point if they are pushed into it.
One thing you probably don't know, but I do because I have military friends who were there, is that when Iraq started sending SCUD missiles into Israel on January 18, 1991, Israel launched an attack on Baghdad using 24 F-15's each armed with two tactical nukes. The aircraft were in the air over the Med and turned for Baghdad and accelerated to Mach 1+ and were turned back only because Dick Cheny, SecDef, was on the phone with the Israelis and begged them to turn the fighters back, promising that the US would reallocate air resources and satellite surveillance to destroying SCUD sites and deploying Patriot missiles to Israel.
Baghdad was quite literally less than 30 minutes away from being turned into radioactive glass, and had the fighters crossed the Iraqi border after overflying Syria, there would have been no turning back, because that border was the commit point for the attack.
And yes, you're propping up a strawman because Israel has no desire to eject "Palestinians" from Israel, that's why they created the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in the first place. It's the "Palestinians" who have segregated themselves from the Jews, whom they despise and wish to kill. Israel even went to the extraordinary length of allowing "Palestinians" access to Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, the most sacred place on earth to Jews, in an attempt to live in peace with the "Palestinians."
Peace is, and has always been within the grasp of the Palestinian people, but their radical Islamist terrorist leaders, from Arafat to Hamas, have continued to pour gasoline on the situation for more than 50 years. They
do not want peace with Israel, the want Israel and the Jews to cease to exist.
So, Israel has naturally and necessarily segregated "Palestinians" into the West Bank and Gaza and has controlled access by them to Israel, and controls imports to both because the terrorists in charge are constantly trying, and succeeding at smuggling arms into both areas, which allows them to launch attacks on Israel.
When you live right next to an implacably hostile population of people whose announced objective is to murder and destroy your entire race, it's prudent to take precautions and keep them out of the country they want to destroy. That's all on the "Palestinian" people and their leaders, who could take peace at their will, but will not do so."Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
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