Unarmed teen shooting: the debate rages on...

[maiforpeace]

Zimmerman willfully and intentionally instigated an unnecessary confrontation that resulted in a dead kid.

Do we want to live in a society where that is commonplace?

Not me. But unfortunately I do already.

There's at least one drive-by or gang related death a week in Watsonville or Salinas, both cities very close to where I live.

The Nortena's live right across the street from my brother in law in Santa Cruz.

[Tyrannical]

Zimmerman willfully and intentionally instigated an unnecessary confrontation that resulted in a dead kid.

Do we want to live in a society where that is commonplace?

Yes.

You are supposed to question strangers in your private neighborhood.

[kiki5711]

Zimmerman willfully and intentionally instigated an unnecessary confrontation that resulted in a dead kid.

Do we want to live in a society where that is commonplace?

Yes.

You are supposed to question strangers in your private neighborhood.

Then you better be prepared to be questioned and assaulted if the neighborhood watchmen don't take a like to you.

[Coito ergo sum]

Zimmerman...such an honest, straightforward kind of guy.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/27/justice/f ... index.html

In Britain, there is a law prohibiting people who commit crimes from profiting from them.
Is there no similar law in the US?

Yes, but zimmerman hasnt been found guilty yet. Also, an accused cant be precluded from raising money for his or her defense. Zimmerman isnt "profiting" from a crime by raising a legal defense fund to pay for his defense.

[Coito ergo sum]

Zimmerman...such an honest, straightforward kind of guy.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/27/justice/f ... index.html

In Britain, there is a law prohibiting people who commit crimes from profiting from them.
Is there no similar law in the US?

Some states have a similar law. As has been pointed out, he's currently presumed not to have committed a crime, pending trial, though.

If it's actually a legal defense fund, it's not his money anyway, so he's not profiting from it anyway.

Well, we can tell all the "good hearted" citizens contributing to his fund, that zimmerman's lawyers are going to make a killing out of this. whether they loose or win, they get to "keep" the money. so keep pouring those dollars in.

Your prejudice is showing.

No. The lawyers domt just get to keep the money. The money is in a trust subject to regulation by the state of florida's charitable giving and charitable solicitation laws. The lawyers have to substantiate their fees with detailed time and expense records at an hourly rate. Do you really not know this?

[Coito ergo sum]

YEA, WELL, Chicago, one of my home towns(lived there for 9 yrs) had AL CAPONE!!!! so there!

Didnt you also have john wayne gacy? Not to mention Rahm Emanuel....

[Coito ergo sum]

Which makes me very glad that I carry a gun too, because this sort of disgusting attitude all too often ends up in race-based crimes perpetrated by blacks against whites for no reason other than race.

well come on, come into my neighborhood and we'll see if you "little gun" will do you any good.

Lol - as if you live in some sort of tough neighborhood .... Typical big talker and all your ass kicking comments.... No wonder you figure zimmerman must have been a coward. Sounds like you are compensating for being one by your big talk. That must be why you figure others must be like that too....

[Coito ergo sum]

In fact if zimmerman really did get some of his head hurt, I'm sorry it wasn't smashed even more. I wish trayvon was an expert in kung fu, so he could have kicked his ass really good.

What makes you so absolutely sure that Martin didn't attack Zimmerman first? What evidence do you have to support this conclusion? Evidence. Not opinion, not intuition, not bias or prejudice...evidence. Logic. Reasoning. Cold, hard facts. Got anything conclusive that the rest of us have missed out on? Or are you just projecting your own child into Martin's place and assuming that Martin was the same kind of person as your child?

I'm not even talking about the legalities here any more. I'm past beyond that. Someone gets in my face, they better prepare for a fight.

Lol - keep talkin...

You are past the legalities because everything you have said has been shown to be ignorant, wrong, biased, prejudiced, shrill, irrational, and/or juvenile in the extreme. Your current bluster about you , an aging wannabe hippie whose brain was apparently long ago fried on various drugs, kicking anyone's ass.... Lol...

[Coito ergo sum]

You sound very much like one of those racists

Spot on!

and so do you.

Think what you want about each other, but calling each other racist isn't doing much for making your case(s).

Attack the argument, not the person please.

A caution for that? Odd.

[Coito ergo sum]

Zimmerman willfully and intentionally instigated an unnecessary confrontation that resulted in a dead kid.

Do we want to live in a society where that is commonplace?

You are assuming something that hasnt been proved.

What evidence makes you think he instigated anything?

We do live in a society where it is perfectly lawful to walk up to someone and talk to them, even to ask why they are in the neighborhood. This is particularly true for those who are members of the very commonplace neighborhood watch groups.

[FBM]

...Attack the argument, not the person please.

A caution for that? Odd.

Not meaning to speak for Mai, but I don't think that was meant to be an official reminder. Our official stuff is always colored. Erm....I mean....always blue or red.

[amused]

If Zimmerman had simply remained in his car, as requested by the police, a 17 year old kid would still be alive.

[Tyrannical]

If Zimmerman had simply remained in his car, as requested by the police, a 17 year old kid would still be alive.

And if a certain 17 year old criminal did not assault and threaten Zimmerman's life, he'd also be alive today.

[kiki5711]

In fact if zimmerman really did get some of his head hurt, I'm sorry it wasn't smashed even more. I wish trayvon was an expert in kung fu, so he could have kicked his ass really good.

What makes you so absolutely sure that Martin didn't attack Zimmerman first? What evidence do you have to support this conclusion? Evidence. Not opinion, not intuition, not bias or prejudice...evidence. Logic. Reasoning. Cold, hard facts. Got anything conclusive that the rest of us have missed out on? Or are you just projecting your own child into Martin's place and assuming that Martin was the same kind of person as your child?

I'm not even talking about the legalities here any more. I'm past beyond that. Someone gets in my face, they better prepare for a fight.

Lol - keep talkin...

You are past the legalities because everything you have said has been shown to be ignorant, wrong, biased, prejudiced, shrill, irrational, and/or juvenile in the extreme. Your current bluster about you , an aging wannabe hippie whose brain was apparently long ago fried on various drugs, kicking anyone's ass.... Lol...

well why don't you come around and find out, you arrogant prick! you don't even need drugs to be empty headed, you just are.

[kiki5711]

Which makes me very glad that I carry a gun too, because this sort of disgusting attitude all too often ends up in race-based crimes perpetrated by blacks against whites for no reason other than race.

well come on, come into my neighborhood and we'll see if you "little gun" will do you any good.

Lol - as if you live in some sort of tough neighborhood .... Typical big talker and all your ass kicking comments.... No wonder you figure zimmerman must have been a coward. Sounds like you are compensating for being one by your big talk. That must be why you figure others must be like that too....

sound to me like you're scared..don't poop your panties now coito..