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Re: Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

Post by maiforpeace » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:46 pm

Seth wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:Do point out the part where they advocate throwing bricks through windows...I must have missed that.

Instead, they should do as the tea party activists do then? Just show up with guns?

That sure advocates peaceful discourse. :lol:
Actually, it does. Note that at every Tea Party event where firearms were present (many of them) there was not one single shot fired by anyone, ever, and the discourse was entirely peaceful. No black-masked teenage thugs throwing firebombs at banks and immolating innocent bank clerks, no tear gas from the police, no brickbats, no fire hoses. Just polite discourse.

There's a clue there for those with the wit to see it.
Yea, like I'm going to feel free to speak my mind staring down the barrel of a gun. :lol:
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Re: Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

Post by Seth » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:48 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
Seth wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:Do point out the part where they advocate throwing bricks through windows...I must have missed that.

Instead, they should do as the tea party activists do then? Just show up with guns?

That sure advocates peaceful discourse. :lol:
Actually, it does. Note that at every Tea Party event where firearms were present (many of them) there was not one single shot fired by anyone, ever, and the discourse was entirely peaceful. No black-masked teenage thugs throwing firebombs at banks and immolating innocent bank clerks, no tear gas from the police, no brickbats, no fire hoses. Just polite discourse.

There's a clue there for those with the wit to see it.
Yea, like I'm going to feel free to speak my mind staring down the barrel of a gun. :lol:
Nobody even pointed the barrel of a gun at anyone else (which would be a felony in every state), so your plaint is just so much bilge. Everybody at the Tea Party meetings freely expressed themselves peaceably, which is not a hallmark of the OWS movement.
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Re: Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

Post by maiforpeace » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:52 pm

Seth wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:
Seth wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:Do point out the part where they advocate throwing bricks through windows...I must have missed that.

Instead, they should do as the tea party activists do then? Just show up with guns?

That sure advocates peaceful discourse. :lol:
Actually, it does. Note that at every Tea Party event where firearms were present (many of them) there was not one single shot fired by anyone, ever, and the discourse was entirely peaceful. No black-masked teenage thugs throwing firebombs at banks and immolating innocent bank clerks, no tear gas from the police, no brickbats, no fire hoses. Just polite discourse.

There's a clue there for those with the wit to see it.
Yea, like I'm going to feel free to speak my mind staring down the barrel of a gun. :lol:
Nobody even pointed the barrel of a gun at anyone else (which would be a felony in every state), so your plaint is just so much bilge. Everybody at the Tea Party meetings freely expressed themselves peaceably, which is not a hallmark of the OWS movement.
You of all people should know that you don't need to point a gun at anyone to cause an injury.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:57 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
Seth wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:Do point out the part where they advocate throwing bricks through windows...I must have missed that.

Instead, they should do as the tea party activists do then? Just show up with guns?

That sure advocates peaceful discourse. :lol:
Actually, it does. Note that at every Tea Party event where firearms were present (many of them) there was not one single shot fired by anyone, ever, and the discourse was entirely peaceful. No black-masked teenage thugs throwing firebombs at banks and immolating innocent bank clerks, no tear gas from the police, no brickbats, no fire hoses. Just polite discourse.

There's a clue there for those with the wit to see it.
Yea, like I'm going to feel free to speak my mind staring down the barrel of a gun. :lol:
So, a few guns, and you can't speak your mind, but people bricking windows, shitting all over the place and including in banks and other establishments, threatening local residents and business owners, ruining local businesses (like the poor hot dog cart owners who had urine and stuff thrown at their food service truck because they STOPPED serving free hot dogs...).... and on...and on and on.... that's conducive to a free exchange of ideas?

Please -- I don't even agree with the tea party on most issues, since they were taken over by a lot of cultural conservative folks, but Mai, it's not even close. One group was clean, orderly, calm and respectful. The other is not. I've provided massive amounts of citations as to which one is the "not" group. Care to match that? http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1171170

I'd feel much safer at a tea party rally than an OWS event. There is actual violence going on at OWS envents, and actual violence hurts more than imagined potential violence.

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Re: Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

Post by maiforpeace » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:02 pm

Well do go to one and report back...I've been to an OWS rally and actually have some real life experience to speak of.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:05 pm

maiforpeace wrote:Well do go to one and report back...I've been to an OWS rally and actually have some real life experience to speak of.
Me too. I've been by them in 3 US cities and what I believe was affiliated with them in Rio. In 2 of the ones in the US -- New York City and Tampa, the folks badgered passers by. Luckily, I didn't see any of the shit reported in the links I gave you. I've never been to tea party rally. That's where I lack some experience.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:15 pm

After spending 2011 near the top of the news headlines, Occupy Wall Street finds itself in a struggle to regain relevance as a grassroots protest against corporate greed and Washington corruption.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 7220120430

Yep...when the kids when home to mamma for the winter, they lost some mojo...

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Re: Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

Post by JimC » Tue May 01, 2012 7:33 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:And, so it begins...."global disruption" called for by the "peaceful," and "civil", OWS movement.... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-3 ... may-1.html

Wait wait!!! Whatever happened to civil discourse, and an "adult conversation" All this "rhetoric" is getting very "heated" these days....

Oh, wait? Civility in public discourse doesn't matter anymore? Check.
I think the term you are conveniently ignoring is civil disobedience. But I wouldn't expect less from you. :roll:

How dare they, those uppity....
Civil disobedience is basically a refusal to obey, not "bricks through windows" and shutting down bridges and tunnels, or rioting.
100% with you here - there can be massive, valid protest movements that are not run by thugs with a taste for urban violence...

In reality, they ensure the defeat of their program by putting 95% of the population offside by their mindless violence...
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Re: Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

Post by Clinton Huxley » Tue May 01, 2012 8:41 am

There's a time and a place for civil disobedience. What was the American Revolution but civil disobedience on a massive scale? What brought the hated poll tax down in the UK? The riots.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 01, 2012 12:34 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:There's a time and a place for civil disobedience. What was the American Revolution but civil disobedience on a massive scale? What brought the hated poll tax down in the UK? The riots.
If the OWSers were advancing high ideals, independence from a tyrannical non-representative government, confiscatory taxation, military quartering of soldiers in citizens' homes, denials of due process, denials of fair trials, involuntary impressment into military service, and other such things, then perhaps the majority of people would stand with them, and the government would hopefully relent.

As it stands, I've not heard anything OWS is advocating that makes a damn bit of sense. Most of the time, the folks that support them can't even articulate what the OWS movement is actually standing for, because it's a shell game. They hide behind the "nobody runs the movement, and therefore there are as many reasons for it as there are people in the movement," type nonsense. It basically just becomes a griping mob, mainly asking for free stuff. To compare it to the American Revolution is like comparing the fight the NVA in Vietnam to the fight against the Nazis in WW2.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 01, 2012 1:20 pm

OWS behind white powder sent to banks on May Day....? http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/ ... tan-banks/

All this incivility....shocking....

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 01, 2012 1:25 pm

A day that is expected to be filled with anti-establishment protests all around the globe began early last night with a roving band of "anarchists" smashing car windows and store fronts in San Francisco's Mission District.
http://news.yahoo.com/may-day-eve-quick ... 23433.html

LOL - that's right, OWS....bet strategy is to attack the rich, San Francisco liberals.... :funny:

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 01, 2012 1:27 pm

Boston: An early 7 a.m. start kicks off a "Financial District Block Party," with "Anti-Capitalist" and "Solidarity" marches throughout the city. The evening event calls for a Death of Capitalism Street Theater Funeral Process that promises to travel "through areas of wealth and commer.ce"
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-no ... 50973.html

But....it's not an anti-capitalist movement....right?

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Post by sandinista » Tue May 01, 2012 8:09 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Boston: An early 7 a.m. start kicks off a "Financial District Block Party," with "Anti-Capitalist" and "Solidarity" marches throughout the city. The evening event calls for a Death of Capitalism Street Theater Funeral Process that promises to travel "through areas of wealth and commer.ce"
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-no ... 50973.html

But....it's not an anti-capitalist movement....right?
but....it IS. If it's not, it's a waste of time.
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Re: Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 01, 2012 8:46 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Boston: An early 7 a.m. start kicks off a "Financial District Block Party," with "Anti-Capitalist" and "Solidarity" marches throughout the city. The evening event calls for a Death of Capitalism Street Theater Funeral Process that promises to travel "through areas of wealth and commer.ce"
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-no ... 50973.html

But....it's not an anti-capitalist movement....right?
but....it IS. If it's not, it's a waste of time.
Well, if you listen to MSNBC, they bend over backwards to tell us what a myth it is that people slander it as anti-capitalist. I've had people other than you on this forum tell me that it's not anticapitalist, but rather it's anti-cronyism and pro-fairness, etc. Many folks tell me it's only about fixing things, not about changing the whole system.

Either way, I will say that it is a monumental waste of time.

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