The Trump Pandemic

[Tero]

Spanish Flu rate would be 3 million dead here:
Covid-19 hasn't "claimed as many lives yet as did influenza. Basically, around 675,000 people died in the US by the end of the 1918 pandemic," said Dr. Jeremy Brown, an emergency care physician and author of "Influenza: The Hundred-Year Hunt to Cure the Deadliest Disease in History." "That would, today, be around 3 million people in the US. The good news is that we haven't seen those numbers — of course, the numbers are really quite appalling.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/29/heal ... index.html

[Hermit]

Remember the idea of inserting UV light into the body to cleanse it?

https://www.konsum.admin.ch/bfk/de/home ... 80911.html

UV desinfection devices have to be recalled in Switzerland because they are not safe and can damage skin and eyes.

[Sean Hayden]

[pErvinalia]

Spanish Flu rate would be 3 million dead here:
Covid-19 hasn't "claimed as many lives yet as did influenza. Basically, around 675,000 people died in the US by the end of the 1918 pandemic," said Dr. Jeremy Brown, an emergency care physician and author of "Influenza: The Hundred-Year Hunt to Cure the Deadliest Disease in History." "That would, today, be around 3 million people in the US. The good news is that we haven't seen those numbers — of course, the numbers are really quite appalling.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/29/heal ... index.html

Medicine has advanced massively since 1918. Not a valid comparison.

[Scot Dutchy]

Spanish Flu rate would be 3 million dead here:
Covid-19 hasn't "claimed as many lives yet as did influenza. Basically, around 675,000 people died in the US by the end of the 1918 pandemic," said Dr. Jeremy Brown, an emergency care physician and author of "Influenza: The Hundred-Year Hunt to Cure the Deadliest Disease in History." "That would, today, be around 3 million people in the US. The good news is that we haven't seen those numbers — of course, the numbers are really quite appalling.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/29/heal ... index.html

Medicine has advanced massively since 1918. Not a valid comparison.

Says the professor. Just fucking think. Viruses are still the same problem as they were in 1918. Population maybe healthier but that is all.

[JimC]

In 1918 they had no possibility of making flu vaccines, and no way of testing. Today, making vaccines for new strains of flu is a well-known and relatively fast process. Also, back then, they failed to take quarantine precautions of any sort in the early stages of the pandemic, and when they did start, it was too late. They had no anti-viral medications whatsoever, and hospital care was primitive. If a new, deadly strain of flu similar to the Spanish Flu emerged today, we would have a good chance of greatly limiting its spread and effects on populations, particularly with the paranoia we now possess after our current pandemic...

[pErvinalia]

Spanish Flu rate would be 3 million dead here:
Covid-19 hasn't "claimed as many lives yet as did influenza. Basically, around 675,000 people died in the US by the end of the 1918 pandemic," said Dr. Jeremy Brown, an emergency care physician and author of "Influenza: The Hundred-Year Hunt to Cure the Deadliest Disease in History." "That would, today, be around 3 million people in the US. The good news is that we haven't seen those numbers — of course, the numbers are really quite appalling.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/29/heal ... index.html

Medicine has advanced massively since 1918. Not a valid comparison.

Says the professor. Just fucking think. Viruses are still the same problem as they were in 1918. Population maybe healthier but that is all.

Rubbish. Therapeutic medicine (like anti-virals), and ICU treatment. Not to mention sanitation. And then there's the ability to work from home now that didn't exist then. It's not even a close comparison.

[Tero]

[Brian Peacock]

The 1918/19 pandemic went round the world three times before it developed into a less lethal form, but it killed nearly everyone who got again on the second and third pass.



Let's hope were not at the foot of that second hump eh?

[JimC]

One difference is that it appears the death rate from covid has decreased somewhat in the second wave, for whatever combination of factors.

[Sean Hayden]

By a lot actually, and apparently across age groups and those with health issues too.

[rainbow]

Spanish Flu rate would be 3 million dead here:
Covid-19 hasn't "claimed as many lives yet as did influenza. Basically, around 675,000 people died in the US by the end of the 1918 pandemic," said Dr. Jeremy Brown, an emergency care physician and author of "Influenza: The Hundred-Year Hunt to Cure the Deadliest Disease in History." "That would, today, be around 3 million people in the US. The good news is that we haven't seen those numbers — of course, the numbers are really quite appalling.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/29/heal ... index.html

Medicine has advanced massively since 1918. Not a valid comparison.

Says the professor. Just fucking think. Viruses are still the same problem as they were in 1918.

True in that a large proportion of the virus is transferred by fomites which are stopped by hand washing, social distancing and mask wearing.

[Brian Peacock]

One difference is that it appears the death rate from covid has decreased somewhat in the second wave, for whatever combination of factors.

If you're talking about the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases then that's probably a function of more testing. Falls against the 5-year average might be accounted for by better diagnosis, treatment, and changes in social behaviour. At the moment in the UK hospital admissions are rising again but we're also not seeing the same mortality rates as earlier in the year among that group - though the threat of the ICUs potentially becoming overwhelmed is very real in some regions.

[NineBerry]

One difference is that it appears the death rate from covid has decreased somewhat in the second wave, for whatever combination of factors.

All countries have really increased their testing capacities compared to first half of the year. So, while the known number of infections is higher in relation to the deaths, the actual number of infections is probably the same. i.e. Case Fatality Rate has decreased while Infection Fatality Rate has remained mostly the same.

[NineBerry]

One difference is that it appears the death rate from covid has decreased somewhat in the second wave, for whatever combination of factors.

If you're talking about the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases then that's probably a function of more testing. Falls against the 5-year average might be accounted for by better diagnosis, treatment, and changes in social behaviour. At the moment in the UK hospital admissions are rising again but we're also not seeing the same mortality rates as earlier in the year among that group - though the threat of the ICUs potentially becoming overwhelmed is very real in some regions.

Deaths are delayed. So you have to compare today's death numbers with hospitalization numbers from two weeks ago. Then you will see the death rate hasn't really decreased a lot.