Oslo Blast Gun Derail

[Gallstones]

Anyone else here think Seth and Gawdzilla are like an old married couple?
They have that love-hate thing going on.

Just two alphas posturing. They're probably walking around their properties and "marking" their territory as well......

Says the guy with the pussy in his pants.

Some people would call that getting lucky. <---Jack Daniels.

Only thing is, his pussy is all grey and shit.

Getting lucky and getting someone experienced too.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Getting lucky and getting someone experienced too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Katherine Hepburn was GREAT in "Rooster Cogburn."

[Gallstones]

Getting lucky and getting someone experienced too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Katherine Hepburn was GREAT in "Rooster Cogburn."

Rooster probably thought so.

I have reached the point in life where all of my peer group are grey--except me.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Getting lucky and getting someone experienced too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Katherine Hepburn was GREAT in "Rooster Cogburn."

Rooster probably thought so.

I have reached the point in life where all of my peer group are grey--except me.

My peer group is mostly dead.

[Gallstones]

Getting lucky and getting someone experienced too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Katherine Hepburn was GREAT in "Rooster Cogburn."

Rooster probably thought so.

I have reached the point in life where all of my peer group are grey--except me.

My peer group is mostly dead.

You will have to make do with us then.

[Don't Panic]

Getting lucky and getting someone experienced too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Katherine Hepburn was GREAT in "Rooster Cogburn."

Rooster probably thought so.

I have reached the point in life where all of my peer group are grey--except me.

My peer group is mostly dead.

Don't worry, at your age you'll be joining them soon.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I fully expect so.

[Seth]

Anyone ever fired one of these?

Yup. Have the newer version, the M107A1, on order. Should be here in a few weeks. $12,000 plus accessories, spare mags, case, etc. I decided not to get the suppressor because there's too much BATFE paperwork involved in moving it interstate.

Four pounds lighter than the M82, with a redesigned muzzle brake and other improvements. Nice plinking weapon out to 2500 yards. Superb anti-material/anti-personnel weapon too. Ammo's a bit pricey though, about $4.00 a round or so depending on what you get.

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[Seth]

And no, it's not harder to kill someone with a knife, it's far easier and more sure. I'd much rather face someone armed with a handgun than a knife because they are harder to use, require some skill to produce a killing shot, and are more easily evaded.

Congratulations, you've just proved what I suspected, that all of your talk about weapons is fantasy. You clearly have never used a gun in anger, if you can write such bollocks.

This from the hoplophobe to the retired police detective... Yawn.

Firstly, I will suggest some obvious defences against a knife, which are clearly not obvious to you, for some reason.

1) Run away. If you're a better runner, you are perfectly safe from a knife.
2) Swim away. Same thing applies.
3) Find an improvised weapon. An iron bar, or jack handle, or camera tripod, or even a solid lump of wood, would be handy. If there were two or three of you, the knifeman would not be favourite..

Wasn't talking about improvised weapons, escape or other defenses, was talking about a confrontation between a knife-wielding suspect and me, armed with a gun, versus a confrontation between a crook armed with a gun and me, armed with a gun.

What's clear is that you've obviously never seen your average street crook shoot. I have. You've also obviously never seen a man laid open from guggle to zatch in one sweeping slash of a straight-razor dying on the dance floor with his intestines out. I have.

I'd much rather face someone armed with a handgun than a knife because they are harder to use, require some skill to produce a killing shot, and are more easily evaded.

This has to be the most stupid thing you've ever written. (I hope). You've clearly never used a gun in anger.

Says the unarmed UK hoplophobe to the retired US police detective who's been packing heat for a quarter century.

You don't need to produce a killing shot. You just have to not-miss.

Really? Strange how we train to continue to defend ourselves and take out the opponent even after we've been wounded. It's the civilians and bad guys who fall down screaming when they suffer a minor wound. Sometimes they die of shock from a survivable wound primarily out of fear. But when you train to fight through the wound and prevail, you're less likely to be incapacitated by a flesh wound. Just ask the cops at the LA bank shootout.

Did you know that most guns hold more than one bullet? Especially those used by mass killers. You deserve some sort of award for that comment.

It's only one bullet at a time no matter how many are in the mag, and each one has to be properly aimed to hit the target with a debilitating blow. "Spray and pray" is not generally useful, unless you have a machine gun. All one has to do is be out of the path of each bullet and they are harmless in a fraction of a second. Sometimes that isn't possible, and you die. But again, crooks are notoriously bad shots. I'm not. I'm an exceedingly good shot, thanks to decades of training and practice.

And it's my experience that bad guys generally are not as well trained as police officers to stand fast and take careful aim in the face of incoming rounds. They tend to rabbit and fire wildly into the air, ground and adjacent objects rather than taking the time for target acquisition. You never hear the one that kills you, and in a firefight your accuracy on target is far more important than anything else, because a solid hit will stop the gunfight instantly. So, you take cover if you can, but if you can't, you exercise the skills you've learned after many hundreds of hours at the range and you put the assailant down with as few shots as possible and stop the fight.

Don't try to teach grandpa to suck eggs. You're trying to make fun of someone who has thousands of hours of defensive and offensive firearms training and decades of experience in law enforcement and firearms training and use, and you're making an ass out of yourself in the process.

Go back to shuffling your papers and let the experts pass out the reliable information on self-defense because you haven't a fucking clue.

[Seth]

I wouldnt get into an argument with Seth about the best way to kill people as I'm sure he is an expert but as a civilian thats about saying you are an expert in raping children not exactly something to boast about

Oh, I dunno, knowing how to kill someone at need is an important bit of knowledge for anyone who cares to live through a violent physical attack. Even if you don't end up having to kill them, the training required to give you the skill to do so also provides you with the skills to successfully defend yourself. It's like knowing how to use a fire extinguisher. You learn to do it hoping you'll never have to use that knowledge, but prepared to do so effectively if you must.

Idiots who don't educate themselves in defensive tactics, including lethal self-defense, end up as something we in the police trade like to call "corpses" when they get attacked.

[Kim salabim]

In this particular incident, how many people did they save?

Many.

He was caught with lots of ammo. Google translated link

Forty kids saved from the house they barred themselves in.Google translated link

The police saved them did they?
Or did they save themselves?

You tell me what would have happened if the police didn't arrive. The shooter still had lots of ammo, and explosives.

Be objective.

[FBM]

I think the very point some people are trying to make is objectively reasonable: If some of the victims had been armed and competent, the call to the police would have been to report an attempted massacre.

[Gallstones]

In this particular incident, how many people did they save?

Many.

He was caught with lots of ammo. Google translated link

Forty kids saved from the house they barred themselves in.Google translated link

The police saved them did they?
Or did they save themselves?

You tell me what would have happened if the police didn't arrive. The shooter still had lots of ammo, and explosives.

Be objective.

As opposed to defensive?

He'd have gotten bored?

[MrJonno]

I think the very point some people are trying to make is objectively reasonable: If some of the victims had been armed and competent, the call to the police would have been to report an attempted massacre.

I think the point that other people are making is the sort of people who make those points are the types who were committing those acts of mass murder.

I can guarantee gun laws are not going to be relaxed after this, there will be a mass crack down on them

[FBM]

I think the very point some people are trying to make is objectively reasonable: If some of the victims had been armed and competent, the call to the police would have been to report an attempted massacre.

I think the point that other people are making is the sort of people who make those points are the types who were committing those acts of mass murder.

I can guarantee gun laws are not going to be relaxed after this, there will be a mass crack down on them

And that follows from an emotional, PC conviction that, despite all the evidence to the contrary, every gun owner is a gun nut. Black-and-white thinking that ignores the relevant statistics. Millions of gun-owners didn't shoot anyone today. How many people were killed with something other than a gun today? Every gun owner I know would've done what they could to stop that lone loon. Gun laws being what they are there, though, people in these situations will just have to keep getting shot at for 90 minutes until the police finally show up.