American Politics from 2019 on

[Brian Peacock]

Can't he just issue an executive order allowing a president to revoke the executive orders of a previous president?

[JimC]

Can't he just issue an executive order allowing a president to revoke the executive orders of a previous president?

Pardons are in a different category to a previous President's executive orders, I think. He's already cancelled a lot of Biden's executive orders... But I've heard no mention of his reaction to Biden's last minute pardons.

[Tyrannical]

I'm sure they'll be gone at the stroke of a pen if he so desires. Executive Orders are the new Divine Right of Kings.

I don't think a Presidential pardon can be revoked. L'emmy would know...

I think the Fauci pardon may have been a trap, and once pardoned he can be compelled to testify because he can't refuse over self incrimination. I don't know where that would go, but they can jail him for refusing or 'lying'; not telling them what they want to hear

The overly broad pardons.... Let's just say as an example they find a dead hooker buried under one of Hunter's old homes. If Dad didn't know about the dead hooker he couldn't have pardoned Hunter on it. And if Dad did

[Tero]

Executive order to pull out of NATO next.

[pErvinalia]

Amazing how much damage one guy can do.

[JimC]

Executive order to pull out of NATO next.

Probably not...

The Senate has unanimously confirmed Senator Marco Rubio as secretary of state (the US equivalent of a foreign minister), officially making him Donald Trump's first high-level cabinet member.

A more conventional pick than many of Trump's other nominees, Rubio put Senate Democrats at ease during his confirmation hearing when he voiced support for NATO, as well as a law he co-sponsored that states presidents cannot withdraw the US from an international alliance without Senate approval or an act of Congress.

He also labelled Vladimir Putin's 2022 invasion of Ukraine "unacceptable" — despite Donald Trump once calling it "pretty smart".

[L'Emmerdeur]

Presidential pardons can cover any and all federal crimes, and are not revocable. There is a technicality though. The pardon must be 'delivered' (a physical document sent through the mail apparently) and accepted by the recipient. If not delivered the pardon may be revoked, if rejected the pardon is nullified.

'Presidential Pardons: Overview and Selected Legal Issues'; page 10 (page 13 of the PDF) for 'delivery,' page 4 (pg 7 of the PDF) for rejection

[Brian Peacock]

[Tyrannical]

Executive order to pull out of NATO next.

Trump saved NATO during his first term much to Putins disappointment Pay your bills!

[JimC]

Thanks, L'emmy...

[Tero]

Washington, D.C. (January 21, 2025) – Today marks the anniversary of the controversial 2010 Supreme Court Citizens United ruling. This decision unleashed a flood of corporate money into our political system. It allowed the fossil fuel industry to spend hundreds of millions of dollars this election cycle, overwhelmingly with republican candidates, to exert their influence over our democracy.

“By ruling that unlimited campaign contributions are protected speech, the court freed the fossil fuel industry to strengthen its stranglehold on our economy,” said Folabi Olagbaju, Greenpeace USA’s Democracy Campaign Director. “Citizens United has put politicians completely in the pockets of the biggest donors, often the fossil fuel industry, which has no investment in the wellbeing of our fragile blue planet.”

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/15-years ... disasters/

[Tero]

tipping point or not? oligarchy or something else?
elsewhere

Yes, the constitution no longer works well at all, but I’d add that
capitalism as we know it is on its last leg. Not just in the US, but globally. I think the global anti-incumbent wave of 2024 was due mostly to economic and social dysfunction.

The US is currently a dog composed of Blue states and Blue cities being wagged by a tail composed of Red states. This is not a pattern set for long-term stability. I think a showdown between a band of Blue versus the Trumpian federal government is the mostly likely way in which the tipping point goes from totter to topple.

[Tero]

I ran my US falling apart blog elsewhere and got this response:

Temporal proximity to events distorts their perceived future historical importance. People forget great depression, WWII, Civil War, post-revolutionary times, the Cold War, etc. Those were vastly more significant. What we are seeing now is the predicted reaction to globalization and a realignment of political coalitions.

Will it be disruptive? Yes. Will it end in the de-facto fragmentation of the USA? No. The power of the common market is just too valuable. The only one who benefits from a real weakening are the USA’s strategic competitors.

[JimC]

Has anybody on the forum heard of any response by Trump (or allies) to the last minute pre-emptive pardons by Biden?

[Tyrannical]

Has anybody on the forum heard of any response by Trump (or allies) to the last minute pre-emptive pardons by Biden?

Trump did his expected random string of insulting words

Fauci will be compelled to testify and Dr. Senator Rand Paul is going to start by making him watch his previous testimony and ask him to say 'Stop' every time he lies.

We've never had a pardon situation where the crimes weren't already known or assumed. Nixon was never charged or further investigated, but people suspected he was involved with the Watergate coverup. This may end up close to Catholic confession, your pardon for actions during these times... please confess every illegal act you have committed you believe you are being pardoned for.