Across the US, Mosque Projects Meet Opposition

[Rum]

Rationally, atheists should simply oppose the building of any building meant for religious purposes, whatever the religion.

[sandinista]

Rationally, atheists should simply oppose the building of any building meant for religious purposes, whatever the religion.

I agree. These religious people try to shove that shit in everyone's face at all possible time. I was thinking of this the other day driving on the highway and seeing a cross in the ditch. I wanted to go flip it upside down or throw it into the field but never did because it was obviously a memorial. But thats the point isn't it. These religions have put their symbolism into aspects of life where they figure people won't oppose them or destroy them. Married at church, funerals at church, crosses for markers, religious schools, churches fucking everywhere. It's insidious.

[kiki5711]

Trying to get rid of religion would be like trying to get rid of Wall St. There's too much money to be made.

[sandinista]

Doesn't mean "we" can't try...In both cases.

[Rum]

Trying to get rid of religion would be like trying to get rid of Wall St. There's too much money to be made.

Not so much in Europe - of the same order as the USA at least, though the Roman Catholic church is stupendously rich due to capital and capital investments of course.

R.E. the previous posts, memorials at the road side here are now nearly always bunches of flowers, interestingly..or not.

[Robert_S]

It's all well and good to have faith based organizations get a bit of government money... until it's the wrong faith.

Has anyone in the thread supported giving government money to any religious organization?

Me, I oppose building any church or mosque as long as they are exempt from property taxes.

No, nobody in this thread has advocated giving any money from any source to any religious organization, but plenty of people in the US have thought it was a good idea to give money to faith based organizations.

[sandinista]

Trying to get rid of religion would be like trying to get rid of Wall St. There's too much money to be made.

Not so much in Europe - of the same order as the USA at least, though the Roman Catholic church is stupendously rich due to capital and capital investments of course.

R.E. the previous posts, memorials at the road side here are now nearly always bunches of flowers, interestingly..or not.

That's good to hear, around here religious people will use everything at their disposal to spread their disease, including monuments. It's kind of like a propaganda war. Same with billboards along the road on the highway, sometimes just jesus billboards, but usually anti-abortion type stuff.

[kiki5711]

Doesn't mean "we" can't try...In both cases.

of course we can try. but what I've noticed a lot is that it's become one large motivational semenar. look at all the different inspirational talkers, what's that guys name with a big mouth?,,, people idolize him, they think he can solve their problems and they'll pay for whatever he sells.

they're doing the same in many large churches.

[Coito ergo sum]

“It’s a community center, if you call it a community center, we would talk,” El-Gamal said. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/08/30/ ... ro-mosque/

Great - it's not a Mosque, it's a "community center." Thus, can we assume that this "community center" will be open to the community on a non-discriminatory basis? No discrimination between men and women? No discrimination against the visually disabled and their leader dogs?

If it's a community center open to the public, then like any other business open to the public it will have to not fall back on the discriminatory nature of Mosques.

[maiforpeace]

“It’s a community center, if you call it a community center, we would talk,” El-Gamal said. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/08/30/ ... ro-mosque/

Great - it's not a Mosque, it's a "community center." Thus, can we assume that this "community center" will be open to the community on a non-discriminatory basis? No discrimination between men and women? No discrimination against the visually disabled and their leader dogs?

If it's a community center open to the public, then like any other business open to the public it will have to not fall back on the discriminatory nature of Mosques.

What a yucky character. 7 arrests and a $227K tax bill?

[Warren Dew]

What a yucky character. 7 arrests and a $227K tax bill?

I'm kind of wondering if he's the primary developer, or just the one that CBS managed to get hold of. If he's the primary developer, it seems like they ought to make him pay his taxes first, at least.

[kiki5711]

He was a waiter just 5 years ago. What has he been doing the past 5 years? That's pretty good going from waiter to muliti million dollar developer in 5 yrs. Talk about "land of opportunity".

When Pelley asked if it occurred to him that putting a project so close to Ground Zero would heighten tensions, El-Gamal replied “not at all.”

“I did not hold myself or my faith accountable for the tragedy,” El-Gamal said.

Well, he's certainly a very sensitive person to say the least.

Also, how is this going to be a community center for everyone in the community when they don't even like to mingle with other people that are not muslim in the first place. I think what they mean is that everyone is welcome to participate in this community mosque if they become a muslim first.
I don't see it happening any other way.

[Coito ergo sum]

Nicely done, T-F00t!

Part 2, responding to idiot pro-Mosquers..... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1_6rD0O ... re=channel[/youtube]

[kiki5711]

what's the source of funding for this project and I want to know why it was named CORDOBA HOUSE. Cordoba Spain was conquered by the Muslims and ruled over for 700 years. During this time period, the original inhabitants, the Christians and the Jews, became SECOND CLASS citizens with very limited rights. WHY did the Imam or some other non-disclosed source use the name CORDOBA? Why locate this mosque near Ground Zero when there are plenty of other sites available and there are already 16 Mosques in NY City? WHY? In addition, this Imam keeps talking about "the need to embrace the religious and political freedoms in the United States". Why does this have to do with the fact that his own religion has cold-blooded terrorists in it and the Sharia severly limits the religious and political freedoms in their OWN religion? Why religious & political freedoms did the women who have been stoned to death or mutilated have? Muslims constitute the world's largest group of weak, forked tongued, and hypocritical people.

[Robert_S]

what's the source of funding for this project and I want to know why it was named CORDOBA HOUSE. Cordoba Spain was conquered by the Muslims and ruled over for 700 years. During this time period, the original inhabitants, the Christians and the Jews, became SECOND CLASS citizens with very limited rights. WHY did the Imam or some other non-disclosed source use the name CORDOBA? Why locate this mosque near Ground Zero when there are plenty of other sites available and there are already 16 Mosques in NY City? WHY? In addition, this Imam keeps talking about "the need to embrace the religious and political freedoms in the United States". Why does this have to do with the fact that his own religion has cold-blooded terrorists in it and the Sharia severly limits the religious and political freedoms in their OWN religion? Why religious & political freedoms did the women who have been stoned to death or mutilated have? Muslims constitute the world's largest group of weak, forked tongued, and hypocritical people.

hey kiki, who said that?