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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:33 pm

"GOP operative hunted Clinton’s 30,000 emails via Russian hackers — and had a ‘line of communication’ with Flynn"
Peter Smith, a Republican opposition researcher who implied he was working with former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, sought access to emails stolen—likely by Russian hackers—from Hillary Clinton’s private email before the 2016 election, the Wall Street Journal reports.

Smith told his inner circle and potential recruits he was “talking to Michael Flynn about the his attempts to obtain those emails, computer-security expert Eric York told the Journal.

The Journal notes that federal investigators probing the link between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russian operatives have analyzed intelligence reports that purport to show “Russian hackers discussing how to obtain emails from Mrs. Clinton’s server and then transmit them to Mr. Flynn via an intermediary.”

In an interview with the Journal before his death on May 14, Smith said his team found at least two groups of Russia hackers who claimed to possess emails from Clinton’s private server. Smith said he “told all the groups to give them to WikiLeaks” after he said he was unable to determine the documents’ authenticity. He also told the Journal they “had a line of communication” open with Flynn and Flynn Intel Group.
So he died shortly after the interview, eh? No doubt another victim of the Clinton crime family. :smoke:

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:51 am

Sounds like he was a threat to Trump and his Russian buddies. He didn't happen to die from Polonium poisoning, did he? :tea:
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:15 am

A side note to the revelations in the Wall Street Journal:

"The Time I Got Recruited to Collude with the Russians"
Although it wasn’t initially clear to me how independent Smith’s operation was from Flynn or the Trump campaign, it was immediately apparent that Smith was both well connected within the top echelons of the campaign and he seemed to know both Lt. Gen. Flynn and his son well. Smith routinely talked about the goings on at the top of the Trump team, offering deep insights into the bizarre world at the top of the Trump campaign. Smith told of Flynn’s deep dislike of DNI Clapper, whom Flynn blamed for his dismissal by President Obama. Smith told of Flynn’s moves to position himself to become CIA Director under Trump, but also that Flynn had been persuaded that the Senate confirmation process would be prohibitively difficult. He would instead therefore become National Security Advisor should Trump win the election, Smith said. He also told of a deep sense of angst even among Trump loyalists in the campaign, saying “Trump often just repeats whatever he’s heard from the last person who spoke to him,” and expressing the view that this was especially dangerous when Trump was away.

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It is no overstatement to say that my conversations with Smith shocked me. Given the amount of media attention given at the time to the likely involvement of the Russian government in the DNC hack, it seemed mind-boggling for the Trump campaign—or for this offshoot of it—to be actively seeking those emails. To me this felt really wrong.

In my conversations with Smith and his colleague, I tried to stress this point: if this dark web contact is a front for the Russian government, you really don’t want to play this game. But they were not discouraged. They appeared to be convinced of the need to obtain Clinton’s private emails and make them public, and they had a reckless lack of interest in whether the emails came from a Russian cut-out. Indeed, they made it quite clear to me that it made no difference to them who hacked the emails or why they did so, only that the emails be found and made public before the election.

In the end, I never saw the actual materials they’d been given, and to this day, I don’t know whether there were genuine emails, or whether Smith and his associates were deluding themselves.

...

As I mentioned above, Smith and his associates’ knowledge of the inner workings of the campaign were insightful beyond what could be obtained by merely attending Republican events or watching large amounts of news coverage. But one thing I could not place, at least initially, was whether Smith was working on behalf of the campaign, or whether he was acting independently to help the campaign in his personal capacity.

Then, a few weeks into my interactions with Smith, he sent me a document, ostensibly a cover page for a dossier of opposition research to be compiled by Smith’s group, and which purported to clear up who was involved. The document was entitled “A Demonstrative Pedagogical Summary to be Developed and Released Prior to November 8, 2016,” and dated September 7. It detailed a company Smith and his colleagues had set up as a vehicle to conduct the research: “KLS Research”, set up as a Delaware LLC “to avoid campaign reporting,” and listing four groups who were involved in one way or another.

The first group, entitled “Trump Campaign (in coordination to the extent permitted as an independent expenditure)” listed a number of senior campaign officials: Steve Bannon, Kellyanne Conway, Sam Clovis, Lt. Gen. Flynn and Lisa Nelson.

The largest group named a number of “independent groups / organizations / individuals / resources to be deployed.” My name appears on this list. At the time, I didn’t recognize most of the others; however, several made headlines in the weeks immediately prior to the election.

My perception then was that the inclusion of Trump campaign officials on this document was not merely a name-dropping exercise. This document was about establishing a company to conduct opposition research on behalf of the campaign, but operating at a distance so as to avoid campaign reporting. Indeed, the document says as much in black and white.

The combination of Smith’s deep knowledge of the inner workings of the campaign, this document naming him in the “Trump campaign” group, and the multiple references to needing to avoid campaign reporting suggested to me that the group was formed with the blessing of the Trump campaign. In the Journal’s story this evening, several of the individuals named in the document denied any connection to Smith, and it’s certainly possible that he was a big name-dropper and never really represented anyone other than himself. If that’s the case, Smith talked a very good game.

I’m sure readers are wondering: why did I keep quiet at the time? Actually, I didn’t. In the fall, prior to the election, I discussed the events of the story first with a friend, and secondly with a journalist. The trouble was that neither I nor the reporter in question knew what to make of the whole operation. It was certainly clear that the events were bizarre, and deeply unsettling. But it wasn’t reportable.

After all, Clinton’s private emails never materialized. We couldn’t show that Smith had been in contact with actual Russians. And while I believed—as I still do—that he was operating with some degree of coordination with the campaign, that was at least a little murky too. The story just didn’t make much sense—that is, until the Journal yesterday published the critical fact that U.S. intelligence has reported that Russian hackers were looking to get emails to Flynn through a cut-out during the Summer of 2016, and this was no idle speculation on my part.

Suddenly, my story seemed important—and ominous.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:14 pm

An interesting account L'Emmy. :tup:
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:34 pm

Notice how 42 hasn't commented on this thread for a few weeks? While he's not here addressing the evidence that is building up he's happily posting elsewhere that there is no evidence of collusion/wrong-doing. :tea:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:51 pm

I was talking with some friends last month -- yes, I have friends! -- about US politics - one friends being a US ex-pat, and amongst all the jaw-dropping incredulity about what Trump has said and done the US ex-pat made a rather telling observation, to the effect that US politics is probably more partisan than we realise, mostly because the two major parties are so similar in their political outlook. In order to secure their brand they both have to try and draw a clear line between themselves and the other lot, and when there's little to distinguish them politically then turn to relying on personal distinctions, and then exaggerating them, however slight. For those who voted for him Trump is just 'their guy'. It doesn't really matter what he says or does, he's 'their guy'. What else have they got? It's not like there's a rich, competitive political marketplace vying for people's attention and votes. There's just two choices - their guy, and the other guy.
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Post by Tero » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:10 pm

We couldn't help it if people were just independently hacking Hillary and then dumping the emails on us! Not our fault!
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:11 pm

Smith, didn't work for the Trump campaign, supposedly contacted "hacker groups" on hacker forums that some people believe were "tied to" or "linked to" Russian operatives, and he did so in an effort to find the 33,000 emails that Hillary Clinton said she deleted from her servers. The emails were never, apparently, found. He mentioned Mike Flynn, rather vaguely.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:43 pm

Donald Trump Jr’s meeting with a Russian lawyer promising information about Hillary Clinton is the first “clear evidence” in public of senior Trump campaign members meeting with Russians while looking for such material, a leading Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee said Monday.

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:39 am

42 is going to apologise for this like there's no tomorrow! :ab:
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Post by Hermit » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:27 am

pErvin wrote:42 is going to apologise for this like there's no tomorrow! :ab:
and we will misinterpret his abject apology to mean he sees absolutely nothing about citizens of the United States talking with citizens of Russia - that in fact there is nothing at all wrong with it.
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Post by Hermit » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:22 am

JimC wrote:"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
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:lol:
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