Is the USA uncivilised?

[Seth]

it is important to weed those people out of the gene pool.

A racist AND a eugenicist. Who'd have thought?

Reported.

I probably won't receive so much as a spanking. Isn't life a terrible thing?

No, but hypocrisy is.

[Jason]

I told you what I am. I'm a bullshitter. Nothing needs to be read beyond that to know all you need to about me.

So if you're to flay me for it, get on with it, find someone who has the stomach for it, or let me go.

[Jason]

Or am I just supposed to rot away here getting bored?

[Blind groper]

- Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW)
- Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC)
- Convention for the Protection of all Persons from Enforced Disappearance
- Mine Ban Treaty
- Convention on Cluster Munitions
- Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD)
- Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture.

The list above is a group of international conventions the USA has not ratified.

The rights of the child convention has been ratified by all member nations except the USA and Somalia. Does America not accept that children have rights?

The lack of ratification of the anti-torture convention is not unexpected, since the USA uses torture.

Would Americans here please explain what appears to be a lack of commitment to human rights?

[Seth]

- Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW)
- Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC)
- Convention for the Protection of all Persons from Enforced Disappearance
- Mine Ban Treaty
- Convention on Cluster Munitions
- Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD)
- Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture.

The list above is a group of international conventions the USA has not ratified.

The rights of the child convention has been ratified by all member nations except the USA and Somalia. Does America not accept that children have rights?

The lack of ratification of the anti-torture convention is not unexpected, since the USA uses torture.

Would Americans here please explain what appears to be a lack of commitment to human rights?

It's not a lack of commitment at all. The objection is to the specific language in these "conventions" that all contain provisions that violate the constitutional rights of US citizens, or they contain provisions that are otherwise not acceptable to the US. Just because a bunch of socialist wankers in Europe think up something and call it a "convention" doesn't mean that it's in the interests of the people of the United States for our government to join in. Putting a pretty name on a bag of shit doesn't change the nature of the contents of the bag, you see.

[Blind groper]

Seth

I see great irony here.

The USA will not ratify agreements that guarantee the rights of women, disabled, children, and prevent torture, despite most other nations doing so. However, uniquely, they create a "right" for their citizens to have weapons for committing murder, and thereby guarantee a major murder rate. Funny.......

[pErvinalia]

it is important to weed those people out of the gene pool.

A racist AND a eugenicist. Who'd have thought?

Reported.

Reported.

Tyrannical's "thesis" has a few holes. Locking people up for a long time is not he same as "people walking the streets". Regarding the dubious point about genes, I think we should kill the offspring as well, just to be sure. We can't have violent gened people walking the streets.

I think it's pretty well documented that there is a genetic component to some violent tendencies,

Is there? Last I heard the "warrior" gene theory had been debunked. But I could be misremembering.

[Robert_S]

If you can't point to a behavioral gene, you can't be sure it exists.

You can, it seems get heredity without DNA. Get a fucked up and stressful environment long enough and you'll eventually get kids who were swimming in all those stress hormones before birth, possibly malnourished before and after birth, growing up in a fucked up environment, not learning good coping mechanisms... A couple generations down the line you can still expect to see some effects even after the original fucked up situation has gone away.

But lets say there are some genes out there that make someone prone to violence. Are they uncontrollable? Would it not be better to change the culture in such a way to foster self control rather than muck about changing the gene pool? Which society wants to risk being the first one with a population that CANNOT become violent? Violent fuckers are a pain sometimes, but they do come in handy now and then.

[cronus]

Violence obsessed bores. Wouldn't want them at the party. Imagine the broken windows? And they'd drink all the punch.

[mistermack]

Of course there are genes that code for violence. We all have them. Humans are one of the most violent animals on Earth.
Our violent nature evolved at a time when we only had teeth and fists and feet to fight with. Now we have effective weapons, and more knowledge of how to hurt people, the violence level is out of proportion to our ability to cause harm.
It used to take a lot of physical effort and ruthlessness to kill someone with your teeth and fists.
Now it just takes a slight movement of a wanker's trigger finger, or a feeble push with a sharp knife.

As far as signing up to conventions goes, I have some sympathy with the US.
When you look at some of the decisions that are made by the bodies enforcing these conventions, I can't see why anyone is still signed up. You have to be able to trust the ''judges'' in places like the European Court of Human Rights. And you can't.

So it's hardly amazing that the US won't sign. Find a system that doesn't make silly rulings, and more people will sign. And good luck with that.

[pErvinalia]

Of course there are genes that code for violence. We all have them. Humans are one of the most violent animals on Earth.
Our violent nature evolved at a time when we only had teeth and fists and feet to fight with. Now we have effective weapons, and more knowledge of how to hurt people, the violence level is out of proportion to our ability to cause harm.
It used to take a lot of physical effort and ruthlessness to kill someone with your teeth and fists.
Now it just takes a slight movement of a wanker's trigger finger, or a feeble push with a sharp knife.

You've missed the point.

[mistermack]

You've missed the point.

Did you ever have one?

[pErvinalia]

Umm, it was Tyrannical's and Seth's point.

[mistermack]

Umm, it was Tyrannical's and Seth's point.

In that case, YOU'VE missed the point.

[Blind groper]

I would seriously disagree that we are one of the most violent animal species on the planet. We learn to live together under conditions that would drive other species into a frenzy.

Ever been in a crowded elevator? Experiments with crowding rats to a far lower level than that results in them attacking each other. We merely smile, and otherwise ignore those crowding us to a level intolerable to other species.

Chimps are way more violent than us.