Ban all genital mutilation of children

[pErvinalia]

Both the penis and the vagina produce secrets..

[Animavore]

Beating a child is obviously wrong, but the odd smack won't hurt them.

Another version of the "degrees of harm" argument.

[NineBerry]

It's like talking to a blind person about colours. The glans touching a dry object without lubrication is VERY intense. You can certainly get used to it, but do you want to? I remember the first time I saw a porn video of a cut person masturbating by going on forcefully throbbing his glans for minutes without lubrication. I cancelled masturbation plans for that night, such a shock was this.

[NineBerry]

Both the penis and the vagina produce secrets..

Secretions! For God's sake. Stupid English language!

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, mine is sensitive with foreskin pulled back. Not intensely painful like MM. MM has probably wanked his old fella raw over the years. I'm surprised he can still see!

[Forty Two]

Beating a child is obviously wrong, but the odd smack won't hurt them.

Another version of the "degrees of harm" argument.

It's a pretty sound argument, although it's not the argument being made.

The argument being made here about circumcision is not that it's just a little bit of harm. The argument being made is that there are benefits that outweigh the risks and harms. I've provided the citations. So far, nobody else has posted anything in the way of evidence, outside of people who aren't circumcised declaring that they personally suffer extreme, almost debilitating, pain if the head of their penis so much as brushes against a piece of fabric.

[Forty Two]

It's like talking to a blind person about colours. The glans touching a dry object without lubrication is VERY intense. You can certainly get used to it, but do you want to?

If it was extremely painful, I would certainly not like it. I did some googling, and this seems to be a problem with some small percentage of penises, not a selling point.

I remember the first time I saw a porn video of a cut person masturbating by going on forcefully throbbing his glans for minutes without lubrication. I cancelled masturbation plans for that night, such a shock was this.

Interesting, but hardly particularly relevant to the discussion of the relative merits of circumcision.

[pErvinalia]

. So far, nobody else has posted anything in the way of evidence, outside of people who aren't circumcised declaring that they personally suffer extreme, almost debilitating, pain if the head of their penis so much as brushes against a piece of fabric.

What people?

[Forty Two]

Mistermack, for example. He said the pain is so severe that he can't even touch the head of his penis when it's exposed, and if it so much as touches clothing, he experiences extreme pain.

Has there been some evidence posted here about the loss of sensitivity? What? Has there been any refutation or counter-evidence to that of the AAP, CDC and Mayo Clinic?

[pErvinalia]

Mistermack, for example.

Yes, that's one. You mentioned "people". That's a plural, boss.

[Forty Two]

Mistermack, for example.

Yes, that's one. You mentioned "people". That's a plural, boss.

Nineberry mentioned something similar. He said that it is "VERY intense" if the penis head touches fabric, and he says "you can get used to it, but do you want to?" That didn't sound like he was referring to it feeling good, but intense. It sounds like it's something unpleasant. In context, he seemed to be agreeing with mistermack, although I don't think he used the word "pain."

He also used the word "tolerate" in relation to what uncut people feel when their penis head grazes fabric -- apparently it's not pleasant, and it's something cut people have learned to "tolerate."

Again, so far, no evidence from anyone, except peoples' personal experience. What's the evidence based argument for banning it?

[Animavore]

They won't remember it. That's actually an argument I've heard.

Rohypnol victims don't either.

[Forty Two]

They won't remember it. That's actually an argument I've heard.

Rohypnol victims don't either.

They won't, and the benefits outweigh the downsides, according to the recent data. Or, do you have some other data to present?

[Animavore]

You have to ask yourself why you're trying to convince me child abuse is ok.

[NineBerry]

Male genital mutilation is mostly common in the US and the Middle East. This data would suggest, it is actually harmful.