The Hillary-thread

[rainbow]

Wolfowitz is voting for her.

All the neocons are. She's with them. If you like neocons, vote Hillary Clinton.

So you're voting for Clitiron.

Goody

[Forty Two]

No, as I don't like neocons. I'm liberal, and Trump's policies are more liberal than Hillary Clinton.

[Tero]

Librul ha ha!

[Forty Two]

Librul ha ha!

...liberal-er, yes. Clinton is a war-hawk and a friend of Big Finance and Big Banks, etc. She's closer to Nixon -- a Progressive Republican.

As this article in Salon sets forth - http://www.salon.com/2016/05/15/no_hill ... _striking/ "Clinton is a lot closer to Richard Nixon than Trump is..."

Clinton is a lot closer to the worldview of Richard Nixon — the president who funded Planned Parenthood and proposed a national single-payer healthcare plan — than Donald Trump is. (Less charitably, we could mention Clinton’s recent reference to her good friend Henry Kissinger, one of the moments of 2016 she definitely wishes she could take back.)

At least in her 2016 incarnation, Clinton is an old-school Cold War liberal out of the Scoop Jackson Way-Back Machine, a believer in global American hegemony and engineered American prosperity. (I realize that’s a completely obscure reference to anyone under 45 or so. We’ll get back to it.) Many such Democrats became Republicans after 1980 — in several prominent cases, the Cold War liberals of the 1970s became the George W. Bush neocons of the 2000s

Her politics are like Doctor Who’s flying phone booth: Until you open the door, you have no idea what’s inside.

No contemporary political figure is more clearly Scoop Jackson’s heir than Hillary Clinton: He had close ties to labor unions and shadowy connections to large and powerful corporations; he carefully cultivated relationships with the Civil Rights movement and the African-American community, although he came from a largely white state. He never met any form of military spending or nuclear-arms buildup he didn’t like, and never wavered in his support for the Vietnam War. He was perhaps Israel’s staunchest defender in the Senate (although he was not Jewish) and favored saber-rattling confrontation with the Soviet Union over détente. Jackson died in 1983 and never got to see the rise of the national-security state and the coming of secret, permanent warfare, but the foreign policy of the Bush-Cheney years — and arguably the Obama years too — is his legacy. Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Elliott Abrams, leading neocons of the Bush administration, were all former Jackson aides.

It has taken almost 50 years, but the Democrats have finally found their inner Nixon. Make no mistake about it: Hillary Clinton is the most Nixonian figure in the post-Watergate period. Indeed, Democrats appear to have reached the type of moral compromise that Nixon waited, unsuccessfully, for Republicans to accept: Some 71% of Democrats want Clinton to run even if indicted.

While Obama could be criticized for embracing Nixon’s imperial presidency model, his personality could not be more different from his predecessor. Clinton however is the whole Nixonian package. On a policy level, her predilection for using executive and military power is even coupled with praise for (and from) Nixon’s secretary of State, Henry Kissinger. However, it is on a personality level that the comparison is so striking and so unnerving. Clinton, like Nixon, is known to be both secretive and evasive. She seems to have a compulsive resistance to simply acknowledging conflicting facts or changes in position. She only makes admissions against interest when there is no alternative to acknowledging the truth in a controversy.

Clinton’s history of changing positions and spinning facts is now legendary. Indeed, a video entitled “Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight” has become an Internet sensation with millions of viewers. Polls show Clinton with record lows for her perceived honesty and trustworthiness. (In fairness, Trump fares little better). Clinton seems entirely comfortable denying facially true facts. For example, she spent much of a year assuring the public that she was fully cooperating with investigators into her use of an unsecure server for her communications as secretary of State. Indeed, she used her claimed cooperation as the reason that she would not answer more questions. When the State Department Inspector General issued its highly critical report on the scandal, many were shocked to learn that Clinton not only refused to speak at all with investigators but so did her top aides. Where Clinton repeatedly said that her use was allowed by the State Department, the report said that the rule was clearly violated, she never received approval for such a security breach and that a personal server would never have been accepted.

Of course, politicians are not known for their allegiance to the truth, and Clinton may be a standout in that group, but she is hardly unique among her peers. However, that tendency is often checked by a staff that forces politicians to recognize reality and even the truth of controversy.

The problem is that Clinton has surrounded herself with aides who have demonstrated an unflagging loyalty and veneration. Take Huma Abedin, perhaps her most influential aide. Abedin described her first meeting on the “Call Your Girlfriend” podcast: “She walked by and she shook my hand and our eyes connected, and I just remember having this moment where I thought; 'Wow, this is amazing. And ... it just inspired me. You know, I still remember the look on her face. And it’s funny, and she would probably be so annoyed that I say this, but I remember thinking; 'Oh my God, she’s so beautiful and she’s so little!'"

Adebin’s breathless account is similar to communications of other aides who fawn in emails to Clinton over her speeches, dress and demeanor. In the released emails, former National Security Council adviser Liz Sherwood-Randall asked that an aide pass along her praise of Clinton’s performance at a hearing:

“If you get a chance — please tell HRC that she was a ROCK STAR yesterday. Everything about her 'performance' was what makes her unique, beloved, and destined for even more greatness. She sets a standard that lesser mortals can only dream of emulating.”

(In 2014, Sherwood-Randall was made the U.S. Deputy Secretary of Energy.) Emails from other close aides like Lanny Davis and Sidney Blumenthal show the same level of constant stroking and exaltation.

It is certainly true that Washington's powerful have always attracted a circle of sycophants. Indeed, the most powerful figures often seem to need continual stroking from underlings and there can be a race to the bottom as aides outdo each other in their adoring rhetoric.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /85297456/

[Tero]

Trumpist headline:
Hillary destroys aide's marriage!

Top Hillary Clinton adviser Huma Abedin on Monday announced that she is separating from her husband, Anthony Weiner, after six rocky years of marriage during which the couple’s shared vision of a political future together has been disrupted multiple times by humiliating revelations of the former congressman’s compulsive sexting habit.
"After long and painful consideration and work on my marriage, I have made the decision to separate from my husband," Abedin said in a statement. "Anthony and I remain devoted to doing what is best for our son, who is the light of our life. During this difficult time, I ask for respect for our privacy."
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The announcement comes after the New York Post reported on Sunday night about Weiner's latest sexually explicit messages with another woman. Weiner, who has been married to Abedin since July 2010, resigned from Congress in 2011 after mistakenly tweeting an explicit image of himself intended as a direct message.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/a ... z4IlrUyDoC

[Tyrannical]

Blah blah. Weiner wasn't happy and he has the right to chase after other girls. He's got good taste in hot chick's too lol

[Brian Peacock]

Hehehehehe hehe hehehehehehehehe hehe hehe hehe hehehehe...

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You said "Weiner"... hehe hehe hehe...

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[Tero]

Sarah Palin head injury. She's now talking in intelligent sentences.
http://www.people.com/article/sarah-pal ... ead-injury
I wonder if she is on Obamacare?

[JimC]

Sarah Palin head injury. She's now talking in intelligent sentences.
http://www.people.com/article/sarah-pal ... ead-injury
I wonder if she is on Obamacare?

Well that's a massive change...

[Forty Two]

I wonder if she is on Obamacare?

Nobody is "on Obamacare." There is no such thing. Obamacare is the legal requirement that individuals buy health insurance from private companies, and some people get subsidies in order to buy it - very few -- but, some. There are about 13 million people who signed up through the exchanges in 2016, and of those about 80% or so get subsidies. Of those who get subsidies, though, it must be noted that most people only get a fraction of the total premium as subsidy. It's a sliding scale.

Now, add to it that rich people who can "structure" their incomes so they show low income for tax purposes can get Obamacare subsidies even though they are millionaires..... http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/27/theyre-m ... idies.html

In order to accomplish this, everyone who pays for their own health insurance has had their premiums triple in the last 3 years.

Thank you! Oh, glory be! What a wondrous program!

Fuck Obamacare, right in the ass. It's a piece of shit. A big, steaming, smelly pile of shit.

[laklak]

From the posted article above:

Those people, while having relatively high net worths due to investments and real estate, also were in a position to have taxable income that was low enough to qualify for Obamacare subsidies.

But that income could still be high enough to keep them above 100 percent of the poverty level. If their incomes fell below that, they would not qualify for the subsidies to help buy private plans, and also would not qualify for government-run Medicaid because Florida rejected expanding that program to cover more low-income people.

McClanahan said she helped the clients structure their income stream — and the taxable component of it — "just right."

Yep. We're not millionaires, but we're in a similar position. Early retirement, invested in real estate, on Social Security (just me). Got George the Accountant (fucking wizard, more like) to "structure" our income to hit that sweet spot. The hard part, given that we had a carry-over loss from when they repossessed the ex-wife's house (another George Miracle), was keeping taxable income high enough to qualify for the subsidy. Picked up better insurance than we had and am saving, no shit, over 10Gs a year. And why the fuck not? They wrote the law, they shoved in down everyone's throats, so you bet your ass I'll take advantage of it if I can. I wish everyone were in a similar position, show it for the catastrophic clusterfuck it is. However, I'm getting everything I can done now, while it's basically free and there's still stew in the pot.

[laklak]

dp

[Forty Two]

From the posted article above:

Those people, while having relatively high net worths due to investments and real estate, also were in a position to have taxable income that was low enough to qualify for Obamacare subsidies.

But that income could still be high enough to keep them above 100 percent of the poverty level. If their incomes fell below that, they would not qualify for the subsidies to help buy private plans, and also would not qualify for government-run Medicaid because Florida rejected expanding that program to cover more low-income people.

McClanahan said she helped the clients structure their income stream — and the taxable component of it — "just right."

Yep. We're not millionaires, but we're in a similar position. Early retirement, invested in real estate, on Social Security (just me). Got George the Accountant (fucking wizard, more like) to "structure" our income to hit that sweet spot. The hard part, given that we had a carry-over loss from when they repossessed the ex-wife's house (another George Miracle), was keeping taxable income high enough to qualify for the subsidy. Picked up better insurance than we had and am saving, no shit, over 10Gs a year. And why the fuck not? They wrote the law, they shoved in down everyone's throats, so you bet your ass I'll take advantage of it if I can. I wish everyone were in a similar position, show it for the catastrophic clusterfuck it is. However, I'm getting everything I can done now, while it's basically free and there's still stew in the pot.

Well, I just get to pay about $14,000 a year for medical insurance, and it's supposed to go up again next year, so I'm planning on paying about $16,000 to $18,000 in 2017.

Fuck you, Obama. And, fuck you, everyone who supported Obamacare (aka "The Affordable Care Act."). You all suck, and I can hardly find a one of you to admit it anymore. Everyone's kinda quiet these days. The only ones who seem to think it's good are the people who are covered under employer provided health insurance. To them, they don't see the cost, so all of them just think that "the poor" have been provided much needed health insurance. Meanwhile, there are still over 30 million uninsured in the US (after spending a trillion dollars over 10 years, and increasing health insurance premiums by like 300%) -- mainly because the bulk of the people who were uninsured before were: (a) not poor (the young and/or single people who made $50k to $100k a year and simply chose not to buy health insurance, so they sure as fuck are not going to buy it now that it's 3 times more expensive), and (b) illegal aliens who don't want to put their information into the federal system now.

Fucking hell, man.....

[Tero]

Medicare for all. Vote gor Hillary!

[Tyrannical]

Weiner got caught sexting incredibly hot chicks again. Wife is leaving him etc etc. Bill probably jealous lol.

My point? I'm drunk and my gf has big boobs