What if the US did nothing?

[piscator]

Tokyo. We did a good job there too. And the Russians didn't do all the heavy lifting.

As I've already pointed out, the thread is about US foreign policy SINCE ww2.

And anyway, Tokyo wasn't a choice that the US made.
And I find it disgusting, that they didn't string the Emperor up, immediately. Instead, the top US brass were creeping around him and kow-towing like he was their god too.

He should have been hanging from a lamp post, within minutes of capture, like Musselini.

"Sing Heav'nly Muse, that on the secret top
Of Oreb, or of Sinai, didst inspire..."


Anyway, the Nips had plenty of chance to flay their Divine Emperor, but didn't take it like the I-Tais. And the US spent years in Tokyo rehabilitating and rebuilding. We didn't formally quit occupying until after the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951.

So every time your clapped-out little Subaru cranks, you should thank America that Fuji Heavy Industries isn't sending Yamato-class battleships your way.

[Cormac]

Tokyo. We did a good job there too. And the Russians didn't do all the heavy lifting.

As I've already pointed out, the thread is about US foreign policy SINCE ww2.

And anyway, Tokyo wasn't a choice that the US made.
And I find it disgusting, that they didn't string the Emperor up, immediately. Instead, the top US brass were creeping around him and kow-towing like he was their god too.

He should have been hanging from a lamp post, within minutes of capture, like Musselini.

"Sing Heav'nly Muse, that on the secret top
Of Oreb, or of Sinai, didst inspire..."


Anyway, the Nips had plenty of chance to flay their Divine Emperor, but didn't take it like the I-Tais. And the US spent years in Tokyo rehabilitating and rebuilding. We didn't formally quit occupying until after the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951.

So every time your clapped-out little Subaru cranks, you should thank America that Fuji Heavy Industries isn't sending Yamato-class battleships your way.

...and it was American advisors that brought efficient management to Japanese industry. As usual, they adopted it, made it better, and sold it back to the world as the Toyota Way. It wasn't Taichi Ohno's invention though...

[piscator]

Tokyo. We did a good job there too. And the Russians didn't do all the heavy lifting.

As I've already pointed out, the thread is about US foreign policy SINCE ww2.

And anyway, Tokyo wasn't a choice that the US made.
And I find it disgusting, that they didn't string the Emperor up, immediately. Instead, the top US brass were creeping around him and kow-towing like he was their god too.

He should have been hanging from a lamp post, within minutes of capture, like Musselini.

"Sing Heav'nly Muse, that on the secret top
Of Oreb, or of Sinai, didst inspire..."


Anyway, the Nips had plenty of chance to flay their Divine Emperor, but didn't take it like the I-Tais. And the US spent years in Tokyo rehabilitating and rebuilding. We didn't formally quit occupying until after the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951.

So every time your clapped-out little Subaru cranks, you should thank America that Fuji Heavy Industries isn't sending Yamato-class battleships your way.

...and it was American advisors that brought efficient management to Japanese industry. As usual, they adopted it, made it better, and sold it back to the world as the Toyota Way. It wasn't Taichi Ohno's invention though...

No. It was Edwards Demming's. You're welcome again.

[Warren Dew]

Kosovo.

I have to say that the US did do a good job in Kosovo. Not that it makes up for Vietnam. But still, it is one positive result.

So much better to have ethnic Albanians persecuting ethnic Serbs than vice versa, eh?

[Cormac]

Tokyo. We did a good job there too. And the Russians didn't do all the heavy lifting.

As I've already pointed out, the thread is about US foreign policy SINCE ww2.

And anyway, Tokyo wasn't a choice that the US made.
And I find it disgusting, that they didn't string the Emperor up, immediately. Instead, the top US brass were creeping around him and kow-towing like he was their god too.

He should have been hanging from a lamp post, within minutes of capture, like Musselini.

"Sing Heav'nly Muse, that on the secret top
Of Oreb, or of Sinai, didst inspire..."


Anyway, the Nips had plenty of chance to flay their Divine Emperor, but didn't take it like the I-Tais. And the US spent years in Tokyo rehabilitating and rebuilding. We didn't formally quit occupying until after the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951.

So every time your clapped-out little Subaru cranks, you should thank America that Fuji Heavy Industries isn't sending Yamato-class battleships your way.

...and it was American advisors that brought efficient management to Japanese industry. As usual, they adopted it, made it better, and sold it back to the world as the Toyota Way. It wasn't Taichi Ohno's invention though...

No. It was Edwards Demming's. You're welcome again.

Yep.

Although Deming's work now looks extremely over engineered and overly complex. He was a ground breaker though.

[piscator]

...and it was American advisors that brought efficient management to Japanese industry. As usual, they adopted it, made it better, and sold it back to the world as the Toyota Way. It wasn't Taichi Ohno's invention though...

No. It was Edwards Demming's. You're welcome again.

Yep.

Although Deming's work now looks extremely over engineered and overly complex. He was a ground breaker though.

Ironic that it was the 80s before his work started to catch on here. And that only after Japanese car builders slamdunked a complacent US auto industry. Herpderp.
The Japanese taught the whole world a new trick or two, starting about 10 years after they got the fuck blown out of themselves. The US probably would have let them rot - we weren't too pleased with their goddamn behavior during the war - except the Commies were making major inroads in Eastern Asia, and we needed all the presence there we could get.

[Tyrannical]

Ron Paul spends his long life preaching for the US to do nothing. But I don't know how big on the details he is regarding the rest of the world if we did nothing. Obviously the US would be safe since we are too big and have the Atlantic and Pacific ocean. Buts as for Europe, maybe they should worry about the middle east invading them

[Blind groper]

Deming and his followers were great men. Their concept of Total Quality Management was ground breaking and contributes massively to our technologically advanced society today.

It is great irony that a very smart American had to take his teachings to Japan, where they fuelled the Japanese car manufacturing revolution, allowing the Japs to overtake and exceed American car makers in terms of quality and price, both. If America had recognised what Deming had, and embraced it, the American car makers would probably be leading the world today, and have the dominant market share. Instead, whole generations of Americans who bought locally made cars had to accept expensive crap.

[Cormac]

Deming and his followers were great men. Their concept of Total Quality Management was ground breaking and contributes massively to our technologically advanced society today.

It is great irony that a very smart American had to take his teachings to Japan, where they fuelled the Japanese car manufacturing revolution, allowing the Japs to overtake and exceed American car makers in terms of quality and price, both. If America had recognised what Deming had, and embraced it, the American car makers would probably be leading the world today, and have the dominant market share. Instead, whole generations of Americans who bought locally made cars had to accept expensive crap.

...and then Jack Welch (s?) and his acolytes came out with that 6 Sigma wankery, followed by "Lean" 6 Sigma - two methodologies almost universally misunderstood and badly applied.

I almost vomited when I first came across the notion of the "Black Belt" 6 Sigma experts.

I currently work for a company where all the senior management are 6 Sigma qualified. You'd expect our busiess to be sleek sand highly efficient with all waste removed. Well, it ain't the case.

[Cormac]

6 Sigma and Lean are very poor imitations of Taichi Ohno's excellent approach to removing waste.

[klr]

Deming and his followers were great men. Their concept of Total Quality Management was ground breaking and contributes massively to our technologically advanced society today.

It is great irony that a very smart American had to take his teachings to Japan, where they fuelled the Japanese car manufacturing revolution, allowing the Japs to overtake and exceed American car makers in terms of quality and price, both. If America had recognised what Deming had, and embraced it, the American car makers would probably be leading the world today, and have the dominant market share. Instead, whole generations of Americans who bought locally made cars had to accept expensive crap.

...and then Jack Welch (s?) and his acolytes came out with that 6 Sigma wankery, followed by "Lean" 6 Sigma - two methodologies almost universally misunderstood and badly applied.

I almost vomited when I first came across the notion of the "Black Belt" 6 Sigma experts.

I currently work for a company where all the senior management are 6 Sigma qualified. You'd expect our busiess to be sleek sand highly efficient with all waste removed. Well, it ain't the case.

Over-qualified execs are actually less than stellar when it comes to the actual job. Now there's a shocker.

[Cormac]

Deming and his followers were great men. Their concept of Total Quality Management was ground breaking and contributes massively to our technologically advanced society today.

It is great irony that a very smart American had to take his teachings to Japan, where they fuelled the Japanese car manufacturing revolution, allowing the Japs to overtake and exceed American car makers in terms of quality and price, both. If America had recognised what Deming had, and embraced it, the American car makers would probably be leading the world today, and have the dominant market share. Instead, whole generations of Americans who bought locally made cars had to accept expensive crap.

...and then Jack Welch (s?) and his acolytes came out with that 6 Sigma wankery, followed by "Lean" 6 Sigma - two methodologies almost universally misunderstood and badly applied.

I almost vomited when I first came across the notion of the "Black Belt" 6 Sigma experts.

I currently work for a company where all the senior management are 6 Sigma qualified. You'd expect our busiess to be sleek sand highly efficient with all waste removed. Well, it ain't the case.

Over-qualified execs are actually less than stellar when it comes to the actual job. Now there's a shocker.

I hate when I see spelling mistakes in my posts!

Thing is - that whole 6 Sigma thing is largely worthless without some key insights - of which the vast majority are ignorant

[Tero]

We are doing nothing:

»The United States has no choice but to attack Syria because Dictator Bashar al-Assad is killing his own people with chemical weapons. Before he was just killing them with bullets. But, if America cared about shooting people, we'd be invading Chicago.»

–Stephen Colbert

[Seth]

We are doing nothing:

»The United States has no choice but to attack Syria because Dictator Bashar al-Assad is killing his own people with chemical weapons. Before he was just killing them with bullets. But, if America cared about shooting people, we'd be invading Chicago.»

–Stephen Colbert

Maybe we should dump some Sarin on Chicago. That way the President could declare martial law and clean the place up, since he won't let the people who live there do it for themselves.