Carrying guns leads to confrontations....

[Seth]

OK,pops.

I just keep seeing claims if gun benefits. I don't see the cause and effect.

Sure would have been nice if ANYONE in the Connecticut elementary school had possessed a gun so they could "confront" a madmad intent on killing children.

How do you square that with your ideology?

[Jason]

Put a cop on every hallway corner in every school in America?

[aspire1670]

OK,pops.

I just keep seeing claims if gun benefits. I don't see the cause and effect.

Sure would have been nice if ANYONE in the Connecticut elementary school had possessed a gun so they could "confront" a madmad intent on killing children.

How do you square that with your ideology?

But at least those kids died happy knowing thry hadn't infringed your support for the ideology of gun culture, Seth. You never were the smartest knife in the drawer but I thought you would have learned to stop shooting yourself in the foot by now. Don't they teach you anything in your basement?

[Tero]

I still don't remember a press story where the good guy was in the right place to shoot the evil doer. Other than paid guards.

The numbers are just not there to support this concept.

I'm not denying Seth's gun protects Seth.

[Jason]

In theory, it's possible someone else could use their gun in your defence. In practice it does happen, but not so often.

[Seth]

The gun lobby will win for now and for the foreseeable future. There is not enough political will or power to overcome the American deep seated belief that owning guns is part of the core of being American.

You are just going to have to tolerate lots of dead school children I'm afraid.

If that were even remotely true there wouldn't be laws keeping law-abiding citizens from carrying their lawful firearms in schools. And if you want to prevent and reduce the number of dead school children everywhere, you'll realize that making schools a "gun free zone" is exactly what attracts mass killers to schools. It's like chumming blood on the water when trolling for sharks.

Every single mass killing in the US, and most of the rest of the world, has taken place in an official "gun free zone," from schools (primary targets) to shopping malls, to military bases where soldiers are forbidden to be armed AT ALL except on the firing range.

Every single one.

You don't see many mass killers walking into police stations now do you?

There's correlation and causation there for those with the wit to understand.

[Seth]

OK,pops.

I just keep seeing claims if gun benefits. I don't see the cause and effect.

That's because, despite being shown dozens of examples of gun benefits, you simply ignore the evidence and are willfully blind. Perhaps you'll get mugged one day and have to watch your wife or daughter be raped as you sit there with a gun to your head wishing that there is someone like me around to help you. Then maybe you'll have a glimmer of understanding what's at stake and just how well the police are going to protect you.

[Seth]

Put a cop on every hallway corner in every school in America?

If that's what it takes, then fuck yes.

It's easier to train and arm teachers, administrators and staff and to secure the facilities so that deranged killers can't get in though.

[Seth]

OK,pops.

I just keep seeing claims if gun benefits. I don't see the cause and effect.

Sure would have been nice if ANYONE in the Connecticut elementary school had possessed a gun so they could "confront" a madmad intent on killing children.

How do you square that with your ideology?

But at least those kids died happy knowing thry hadn't infringed your support for the ideology of gun culture, Seth. You never were the smartest knife in the drawer but I thought you would have learned to stop shooting yourself in the foot by now. Don't they teach you anything in your basement?

Nice evasion. Answer the question. Would it or would it not have been a good thing if someone besides the deranged killer had been armed and in a position to intervene? Or are you so deeply mired in your insanity that you would revel in the deaths of children because you think it somehow proves some stupid notion you have that guns are bad and must be banned?

[Seth]

I still don't remember a press story where the good guy was in the right place to shoot the evil doer. Other than paid guards.

The numbers are just not there to support this concept.

I'm not denying Seth's gun protects Seth.

Just because you're willfully ignorant of the number of times exactly that sort of thing happens (and when it doesn't but could and would have but for "gun free zone" laws advocated by hoplophobe nitwits) doesn't provide any support at all for your argument. Go do some homework and you'll find hundreds, if not thousands of stories over the years of people protecting others with their guns, like the two 80 year old geezers standing in line at a McDonalds when some idiot tried to stick the place up. They pulled their guns and shot him in the back and killed him. Yes, it happened, and you can go look it up if you have the balls to do so, which I doubt.

[aspire1670]

I still don't remember a press story where the good guy was in the right place to shoot the evil doer. Other than paid guards.

The numbers are just not there to support this concept.

I'm not denying Seth's gun protects Seth.

Just because you're willfully ignorant of the number of times exactly that sort of thing happens (and when it doesn't but could and would have but for "gun free zone" laws advocated by hoplophobe nitwits) doesn't provide any support at all for your argument. Go do some homework and you'll find hundreds, if not thousands of stories over the years of people protecting others with their guns, like the two 80 year old geezers standing in line at a McDonalds when some idiot tried to stick the place up. They pulled their guns and shot him in the back and killed him. Yes, it happened, and you can go look it up if you have the balls to do so, which I doubt.

Remember, all you fearful citizens, Seth has the balls to fire at a tiny paper target from a very long way away. So if you're ever threatened by a distant piece of paper you can count on Seth to protect you.

[Jason]

Will the both of you kindly stuff this trollbaiting back up your respective nether holes from whence it came? Thanks.

[aspire1670]

OK,pops.

I just keep seeing claims if gun benefits. I don't see the cause and effect.

Sure would have been nice if ANYONE in the Connecticut elementary school had possessed a gun so they could "confront" a madmad intent on killing children.

How do you square that with your ideology?

But at least those kids died happy knowing thry hadn't infringed your support for the ideology of gun culture, Seth. You never were the smartest knife in the drawer but I thought you would have learned to stop shooting yourself in the foot by now. Don't they teach you anything in your basement?

Nice evasion. Answer the question. Would it or would it not have been a good thing if someone besides the deranged killer had been armed and in a position to intervene? Or are you so deeply mired in your insanity that you would revel in the deaths of children because you think it somehow proves some stupid notion you have that guns are bad and must be banned?

Whereas, you revel in the deaths of the children because it proves more people should be armed? Another nice logic fail, Seth. Are you sure you have the nous to be safe around guns?

[macdoc]

[aspire1670]

Will the both of you kindly stuff this trollbaiting back up your respective nether holes from whence it came? Thanks.

I bow to you superior knowledge of stuffing things up netherholes. No need to thank me.