U.S. passes "historic" healthcare bill

[NineOneFour]

Let's go see what the Washington Post says:



Hmmm....I thought that everyone single making 44000 would have to pay out of their supperating anuses.

Guess not...

[NineOneFour]

People are entitled to their own opinions; they are not entitled to their own facts.

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/sidebyside.cfm

Just passed bill:

CBO estimates the cost of the coverage components of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to be $875 billion over ten years. These costs are financed through a combination of savings from Medicare and Medicaid and new taxes and fees. The net savings from Medicare and Medicaid are estimated to be $430 billion over ten years and the primary sources of these savings include reductions in updates in Medicare payment rates for hospitals, home health agencies and other providers (other than physicians), reductions in payments to Medicare Advantage plans, reductions attributable to recommendations issued by a new Independent Payment Advisory Board, and increases in Medicare Parts B and D premiums for higher income Medicare beneficiaries, changing the Medicaid drug rebate provisions, and cutting Medicaid and Medicare DSH payments. (See descriptions of cost savings provisions in Cost containment.) The largest source of new revenue will come from an excise tax on high-cost insurance, which CBO estimates will raise $149 billion over ten years. Additional revenue provisions include fees on certain manufacturers and insurers, an increase in hospital insurance contributions for high high-income taxpayers, and other provisions that will generate $264 billion over the same time period. (See Tax changes related to health insurance.) CBO estimates the proposal will reduce the deficit by $118 billion over ten years.

[Wumbologist]

People are entitled to their own opinions; they are not entitled to their own facts.

Fox News would like a word with you.

[NineOneFour]

Giant red herring, that. How about, a single guy making $44,000 being able to buy insurance for $2400 a year (no problem) now, and instead being asked to shell out $5300 (average per CBO estimate) once the law takes effect

The lie, above.

Here's why it's a fucking baldfaced lie.

Those numbers ONLY apply to those people who PURCHASE THEIR OWN INSURANCE. It does NOT apply to anyone who gets their insurance through their employer. They are also MAXIMUM figures, meaning most people would pay far, far less.

Those numbers are also those quoted for 2016 and assume that rates continue to increase at levels they have in the past.

The numbers also come from a proven lying sack of shit named Betsy McCaughey, who is a shill for the insurance industry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-ber ... 49579.html

And it's finally a baldfaced lie because it references a CBO theoretical report that doesn't count any subsidies.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911050033


Again, people can have their own opinions; they are not entitled to their own facts. All this weeping and gnashing of teeth by a poster who claims to be Not Republican (TM) and yet has an anti-Obama avatar is based on a worst-case theoretical scenario scored by the CBO based on 2016 costs and without mandated subsidies.

This is what happens when you watch Fox News. Your brain cells die.

[NineOneFour]

People are entitled to their own opinions; they are not entitled to their own facts.

Fox News would like a word with you.

Oh, I'd like a word with them too...

[Randydeluxe]

Besides, republicans have been wrong on just about everything since 2000 ~March 4, 1929.

[Valden]

Besides, republicans have been wrong on just about everything since 2000 ~March 4, 1929.

[Trolldor]

Left-wingers are just as retarded.

For some reason, both left and right go against anything that their opposite would support no matter how beneficial it might actually be to the people they're supposed to support.

Thanks, but I'm not a left winger. I suppose I am when it comes to America in 2010, but then Genghis fucking Khan would be a moderate compared to most of the GOP.

Never stated you were. Your reliance on facts rather than 'OMG SOCIAL JUSTICE' lead me to a different conclusion.

[AshtonBlack]

Thanks for the explanation NineOneFour. I appreciate your work at getting the information for us.

[FBM]

Thanks for the explanation NineOneFour. I appreciate your work at getting the information for us.

Ditto this.

[NineOneFour]

Left-wingers are just as retarded.

For some reason, both left and right go against anything that their opposite would support no matter how beneficial it might actually be to the people they're supposed to support.

Thanks, but I'm not a left winger. I suppose I am when it comes to America in 2010, but then Genghis fucking Khan would be a moderate compared to most of the GOP.

Never stated you were. Your reliance on facts rather than 'OMG SOCIAL JUSTICE' lead me to a different conclusion.

[NineOneFour]

Thanks for the explanation NineOneFour. I appreciate your work at getting the information for us.

Ditto this.

No worries, gang. This is PRECISELY the same hysteria that greeted Social Security (and Alf Landon ran on repealing it in 1936) and Medicare. Medicare opponents at the time (including Ronald Reagan) used exactly the same language and talking points (OMG SOCIALISM!!!) that opponents of these bills used.

[FBM]

Thanks for the explanation NineOneFour. I appreciate your work at getting the information for us.

Ditto this.

No worries, gang. This is PRECISELY the same hysteria that greeted Social Security (and Alf Landon ran on repealing it in 1936) and Medicare. Medicare opponents at the time (including Ronald Reagan) used exactly the same language and talking points (OMG SOCIALISM!!!) that opponents of these bills used.

Those who forget history... are usually elected to office.

[Feck]

Have the political right and those bribed by the insewerance companies stopped trying to tell everyone that Obama wants to kill their granny off yet ? ..

or did that tactic not work so they are concentrating on the thing they hold dearest ie Their money .

Am I stupid and naive to think that a government should be responsible for the health of it's citizens And not profit making companies ?

The dirty tricks that these companies use to avoid paying out are well documented . Health insurance Companies are set up and run for profit not to help people !!! quess what that means ?????

[NineOneFour]

Have the political right and those bribed by the insewerance companies stopped trying to tell everyone that Obama wants to kill their granny off yet ? ..

or did that tactic not work so they are concentrating on the thing they hold dearest ie Their money .

Am I stupid and naive to think that a government should be responsible for the health of it's citizens And not profit making companies ?

The dirty tricks that these companies use to avoid paying out are well documented . Health insurance Companies are set up and run for profit not to help people !!! quess what that means ?????

Yes, they are scum.

But they can no longer avoid paying out under the new bill.

Plus, in 2017, they're pretty much fucked: http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archi ... gle+Reader