Enoch Powell: Prophet of Prophets?

[JimC]

If the OP is referring to the recent killings by Nigerians, it is simply so much bullshit.

That was not a racial issue, it was an evil fucking religion issue, compounded by insanity...

Same in Oz; many racial groups in recent immigration, no problem apart from a certain amount of residual Aussie racism, which will fade with familiarity, the only potential issue is Islamic ghettos...

[Hermit]

Prophet of prophets? Let's see now. The speech was made in 1968. Near its start Powell made the following prophecy: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man." So, yes, he may well be at least among the top echelons of prophets. Historically speaking, prophets - especially those of the doom and gloom variety - are notorious for being spectacularly wrong. How many times between now and our encounter with the Andromeda galaxy will we hear prophesies concerned with the end of civilisation as we know it?

[cronus]

Prophet of prophets? Let's see now. The speech was made in 1968. Near its start Powell made the following prophecy: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man." So, yes, he may well be at least among the top echelons of prophets. Historically speaking, prophets - especially those of the doom and gloom variety - are notorious for being spectacularly wrong. How many times between now and our encounter with the Andromeda galaxy will we hear prophesies concerned with the end of civilisation as we know it?

Don't know but it was poe...wasn't being serious. Haven't even listened to the speech with any sort of concentration. Do know he's always a lucky card to flag in times like this if you meet EDL grunts down the pub. Live long and prosper.

[Tyrannical]

Powell was spot on, if he was talking about present day Sweden

[Cormac]

Powell was spot on, if he was talking about present day Sweden

Powell was an idiot.

[cronus]

Powell was spot on, if he was talking about present day Sweden

Powell was an idiot.

As you get older and wiser....you'll see the light. The man was a fucking genius. He had so many things right. Like all prophets he was a few years out.

[rainbow]

Powell was spot on, if he was talking about present day Sweden

Powell was an idiot.

As you get older and wiser....you'll see the light. The man was a fucking genius. He had so many things right. Like all prophets he was a few years out.

He had a turd for a brain.

[Hermit]

Prophet of prophets? Let's see now. The speech was made in 1968. Near its start Powell made the following prophecy: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man." So, yes, he may well be at least among the top echelons of prophets. Historically speaking, prophets - especially those of the doom and gloom variety - are notorious for being spectacularly wrong. How many times between now and our encounter with the Andromeda galaxy will we hear prophesies concerned with the end of civilisation as we know it?

Don't know but it was poe...wasn't being serious. Haven't even listened to the speech with any sort of concentration. Do know he's always a lucky card to flag in times like this if you meet EDL grunts down the pub. Live long and prosper.

The man was a fucking genius. He had so many things right. Like all prophets he was a few years out.

WTF?

[Pappa]

Can't see the video... what's this about,?

Powell, an anachronistic racist government minister, harking back to days of Empire and all that. He made a shocking speech in Parliament saying that immigration would see 'rivers of blood' in our cities as ethnic groups clashed.

This was in the 1960s. We seem to have done OK as these things go on the whole as it happens despite the hiccups.

Though weirdly he was also instrumental in encouraging doctors to be trained in India and given jobs here.

[Svartalf]

Powell was spot on, if he was talking about present day Sweden

Powell was an idiot.

a man who managed to remain in parliament for 20 year after doing that speech can't be a complete idiot.

[pErvinalia]

Prophet of prophets? Let's see now. The speech was made in 1968. Near its start Powell made the following prophecy: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man." So, yes, he may well be at least among the top echelons of prophets. Historically speaking, prophets - especially those of the doom and gloom variety - are notorious for being spectacularly wrong. How many times between now and our encounter with the Andromeda galaxy will we hear prophesies concerned with the end of civilisation as we know it?

Don't know but it was poe...wasn't being serious. Haven't even listened to the speech with any sort of concentration. Do know he's always a lucky card to flag in times like this if you meet EDL grunts down the pub. Live long and prosper.

The man was a fucking genius. He had so many things right. Like all prophets he was a few years out.

WTF?

You seem to have a sarcasm/humour deficit.

[Hermit]

a man who managed to remain in parliament for 20 year after doing that speech can't be a complete idiot.

Cormac did not call him a complete idiot, but this man was a member of parliament for 20 years despite being almost a complete idiot. Says more about the respective electorates, methinks, than the idiots they elect.

Now I anticipate with greatest trepidation the election in September of the Mad Monk as our next Prime Minister. *sticks head in sand, hopefully not needing to extricate it therefrom for the next three years after his election*

[Audley Strange]

No. Enoch Powell did not accurately prophesise an Age of Prophets.

[mistermack]

Powell was right and wrong at the same time.
He was right to point out the massive immigration that was being slipped into the country, without asking the people.
He was wrong about the effects.

The immigration has been good for the immigrants, and good for the rich, but disastrous for the majority in this country.

Most people didn't need to lock their doors, when he made that speech. Crime was very low.
Things have certainly changed. Now you need high tec burglar alarms and cctv. I don't believe that the people of Britain would have turned to large-scale crime, without the large-scale immigration. I have had Jamaican friends who would steal your hubcaps while you were moving. Nice guys, but incurable thieves. And they spread that habit to the white scum.

And wages for the poor would be much better, if we had kept the lid on unskilled immigration. That's what the politicians didn't want, and that's why they packed in the immigrants. To keep low-skilled wages on the floor.

Now the poorest in Britain can't get jobs, and if they do get one, it's at a pitiful rate, that simply wouldn't put a roof over their head. So now people are trapped on benefits, not because they don't want to work, but because they can't afford to.
And it definitely wouldn't be that way, if we hadn't had massive immigration.
When I left school, it never took more than a day to find a job. Employers were desperate for workers. Now it can take years. Is that an improvement?

Allow highly-skilled immigration, by all means, any colour welcome. But unskilled workers? WTF do we need more of that for?

[Rum]

There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.

Immigrants were actually recruited in the 50s and 60s to work on the railways and buses because they could not fill those jobs with native British people. The crime you refer to, which is proportionally higher for the Afro Caribbean youth was a feature in third generation young people who came from well settled families not new immigrants. The poverty and lack of decent work these days cannot be blamed on immigration. The cause and effects simply don't match. Most immigration now is from Europe and people that come from there are entitled to. They take shit jobs in hotels and the like because nobody else will and we have a lazy work-shy underclass nicely developed.

Your analysis is lazy, prejudiced and verging on the edge of bigotry.