Americans! Make up your minds!

[leo-rcc]

This quote came from a woman in the US, also an atheist, posted on the other forum I am active in:

As a Libertarian I believe that everyone should be in charge of their own health care. If someone doesn't make enough money to afford health care then oh well. I work for my money and they should do the same. I don't work to give healthcare to other people who can't afford it. I don't mind the elderly getting a free ride when it comes to health care. I also don't mind if mentally or physically retarded people or disabled people get a free ride with health care. I do care that I have to pay for health care for lazy people and women who use their vagina as a baby factory. I have hardly ever had health care in my life. If I needed a doctor I paid for it out of pocket. I didn't go around whining because someone else wouldn't use their taxes to pay for it. How can a Libertarian expect the government to pay for our health care?

I think that if we are going to have govt. health care this is how it should work. Each WORKER can opt to pay part of their taxes toward health care and in turn they can use the government health care if they choose to. If not they can get their own insurance. If one chooses not to pay taxes toward it then they don't reap the benefits. This is how social security should be handled. If you don't have a job and aren't going to get one then oh well.....you just don't get health care. Pay taxes into it or go without.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-1505-po ... l#pid25983

Quite a discussion came from it and is continuing.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Solving health care is like solving war. Good luck with that.

[Rum]

Solving health care is like solving war. Good luck with that.

My understanding is that our National health Service in the U.K. has been criticised in the USA and held up as inefficient and not fit for purpose in the debate that is going on right now.

I am here to tell you different. My father has had lung cancer and a stroke in the last eight years. My mother has had a stroke and lost the sight in one eye and also has osteoporosis. I had cancer of the penis three years ago and follow up complications requiring a further operation a year and a bit ago(now thankfully resolved).

My daughter was involved in a fatal car crash four years ago. She was in hospital for two months and has very serious injuries which have required after-care, therapy and physio ever since - as well as some psychiatric/emotional support. One of the other kids in the accident was on life support for three years until he died.

So my family has been in pretty serious need of medical support over the last decade to put it mildly.

ALL of it was provided. All of it efficiently and in a timely fashion. The nursing staff in particular were always superb, supportive, caring and professional. Appointments with my GP were always offered within a couple of days if not the next day and promises were always kept.

I paid for none of that except through taxes. The system is fucking superb. The bullshit you are hearing about it in the USA is politically motivated by people who believe that the ultimate principle in life is the right of the individual to be self contained and have no social dimension to their lives.

This is one extreme of what I personally believe to be a superb political system in the USA. It is a very impoverished perspective in my view.

[tattuchu]

Obama is being portrayed in a very confusing way by different sections of US society at the moment, what with the health care debate and all. Make up your minds please!

Rum, that's because a large portion of Americans are fucking idiots. Seriously. I'm ashamed to live in this godforsaken place sometimes. It's really really bumming me out

[Gawdzilla Sama]

We need to remember that the election was not unanimous, a significant percentage of the population was again him.