US Self Defence nut gets banned from the UK

[Svartalf]

The chap may or may not be a nut but I wouldn't have barred him. If he breaks the law while here, he can be arrested. Still, wouldn't expect the current Home Secretary to dunk a biscuit.

Home secretary is dunking biscuit alright, likely in his secretary's cup too...

My take is more of a minor busybody trying to make himself feel important.

[FBM]

Well, shit. I have a 3rd degree black belt in Hapkido. My visa request to the UK would be rejected out-of-hand, I gather.

[mistermack]

I totally agree with keeping this wanker out.

They call it self defence, but the people who go for these so-called arts always seem to be complete wankers, who are the last people to use it as such.

Just like guns, it's harmless if only well-balanced people do it, but it ends up with just the loonies keen on it, and the mentally-balanced people don't want to know.

As it's illegal to carry an offensive weapon in this country, even for defence, martial arts should be treated similarly, as illegal to use, apart from in clubs.

There are freedoms and freedoms. Freedom to be a twat is very low on my priority list.

[Mysturji]

I feel safer already

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002220

When I saw that (Having already read the BBC article) I assumed the the OP's use of the word "nut" was intended as sarcasm against those who barred him...

'Basic or natural rights' thats on my ideal ban list as well, anyone who uses the word patriot or liberty should be shot at the border

I see I was wrong.
Though I'm no fan of people who pride themselves on being "partriots", I wouldn't bar them. If you are an enemy of liberty, why don't you fuck off to North Korea?

I much better like to live in a place where I am deemed to have rights and anybody who denies them to me is a tyrant

I would rather live somewhere where the people get to decide what their rights are, not killed by savages

[Mysturji]

Well, shit. I have a 3rd degree black belt in Hapkido. My visa request to the UK would be rejected out-of-hand, I gather.

Just as well I got my 2nd dan in Jujitsu right here.

[Mysturji]

I totally agree with keeping this wanker out.

They call it self defence, but the people who go for these so-called arts always seem to be complete wankers, who are the last people to use it as such.

Just like guns, it's harmless if only well-balanced people do it, but it ends up with just the loonies keen on it, and the mentally-balanced people don't want to know.

As it's illegal to carry an offensive weapon in this country, even for defence, martial arts should be treated similarly, as illegal to use, apart from in clubs.

There you have it folks! The voice of ignorance, Loud and clear!

There are freedoms and freedoms. Freedom to be a twat is very low on my priority list.

Based on this post, I doubt that very much.

[mistermack]

There you have it folks! The voice of ignorance, Loud and clear!
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Yeh right. Like you would know.

[MrJonno]

There is nothing with some forms of self defence , of the variety of being more aware and doing what it takes to run away, there is also nothing wrong with some forms of martial arts as sports (ie ones where you try to make contact or throw someone rather actually deliberately hurt them). Boxing is an abomination the only 'sport' where the entire purpose of the sport is to brain damage your opponent (ie knock them out). Other sports may have risks involved but don't have the specific aim of hurting someone

[mistermack]

There is nothing with some forms of self defence , of the variety of being more aware and doing what it takes to run away, there is also nothing wrong with some forms of martial arts as sports (ie ones where you try to make contact or throw someone rather actually deliberately hurt them). Boxing is an abomination the only 'sport' where the entire purpose of the sport is to brain damage your opponent (ie knock them out). Other sports may have risks involved but don't have the specific aim of hurting someone

I can't agree with that about boxing. That's not true about the ENTIRE purpose of the sport.
When you're boxing, your purpose is to knock out your opponent, and NOT to get hit yourself. And his purpose is the same. And the referee has a purpose of stopping it, before one gets too badly hurt.

So it's not the entire purpose at all. But it is one purpose, I have to admit that.
The thing is though, if you want to ban people from harming themselves by taking up boxing, you can hardly allow smoking or drinking.
I don't think it's valid to make a distinction just because of the purpose of knocking your opponent out.
The real purpose of boxers is to enjoy the sport that they love. Just like I enjoy the cigars that I love to smoke.
The harm that comes with it in both cases, is a risk we knowingly agree to take.

Obviously, in both cases, children should be protected, because they're not old enough to weigh up the odds and decide for themselves.

[Robert_S]

The US banned Cat Stevens from entering.
They didn't like the words of his song "Peace Train".

That's where he went wrong. "How to inflict pain" would have got him in. Apparently.

Call for the death of an author because he insults your religion, find support on an atheist forum.

[mistermack]

The US banned Cat Stevens from entering.
They didn't like the words of his song "Peace Train".

That's where he went wrong. "How to inflict pain" would have got him in. Apparently.

Call for the death of an author because he insults your religion, find support on an atheist forum.

That's a bit sad. You're out of touch. I've commented on this site that we should get rid of the royal family, that we should bring back the guillotine, and that I would happily pull the lever.
Nobody even thought it worth a comment.

[Robert_S]

The US banned Cat Stevens from entering.
They didn't like the words of his song "Peace Train".

That's where he went wrong. "How to inflict pain" would have got him in. Apparently.

Call for the death of an author because he insults your religion, find support on an atheist forum.

That's a bit sad. You're out of touch. I've commented on this site that we should get rid of the royal family, that we should bring back the guillotine, and that I would happily pull the lever.
Nobody even thought it worth a comment.

I should go through your entire posting history before answering one post just to make sure you haven't made another post that was more deserving?

[mistermack]

I should go through your entire posting history before answering one post just to make sure you haven't made another post that was more deserving?

You bothered to quote-mine Cat Stevens. I thought you enjoyed that line of work.

Anyhow, the point was that finding a sentence written or uttered by someone at some time proves nothing.

Or perhaps I'm about to be arrested.

[Robert_S]

I should go through your entire posting history before answering one post just to make sure you haven't made another post that was more deserving?

You bothered to quote-mine Cat Stevens. I thought you enjoyed that line of work.

Anyhow, the point was that finding a sentence written or uttered by someone at some time proves nothing.

Or perhaps I'm about to be arrested.

Quote mine? For the record, it was quite a big deal for me at the time that the iconic hippie folk singer would turn into someone who would support the killing of Rushdie. It was also another big deal for me when some of my friends, and even Jon Stewart used this theocratic asshole being barred from entering the US as an example of the us going too far. Fuck Yusef Islam, He took himself off the artistic roll and the list of people who have a legitimate right to bitch about the repression of free speech.

Further, I'm not the one who made the comparison between the UK rejecting someone who wants people to fight back if they're attacked and the US rejecting someone who wants to kill people over their words.

[mistermack]

You're just a mug for the press tactic of getting a headline out of somebody famous.
Cat Stevens just endorsed the Koran, which is what most muslims do. He's consistently denied calling for Rushdie's death. He simply confirmed that he supports the Koran, when some reporter pointed out that the Koran says that death is the punishment for Blasphemy.

If you follow that pathetic logic to the Nth degree, you have virtually every muslim in exactly the same position as Yusuf Islam. None of them are going to disagree with the Koran.
But in the end, you prove nothing, except that you are a mug for a headline.

Find some objectionable line in the Bible, and put it to your christian fundies, and they will say the same thing. The bible is the truth.

So what?

And anyway, you people in the US kept on TRADING with people who backed the fatwah. You didn't mind the oil in your car coming from fatwah supporters. You might get all high and mighty about a singer, but principles go out of the window, if it means dearer gasoline.