Convincing People that Guns Are Bad, M'Kay.

[Coito ergo sum]

If bullets were taken off the market I could get more within half an hours, as many as I could carry. And they'd be made by guys who expect to use them to defend against hordes of starving city folks WTSHTF, so they'd be good quality.

And, if there ever is that big disaster those folks are preparing for, they will be proven correct. The city folk who were ripping them before will be demanding that the country-folk not be selfish, and hand over necessaries to the city-folk. 'course...the really big guns and tanks and stuff will be in the hands of the army which will be controlled by the city folk, so the country folk will discover that they're fucked again in any case.

These two have been preparing for the Apocalypse since 1975. I call their place "Cheyenne Mountain East."

The 2003 blackout was an eye-opener for me. I haven't taken any action in terms of "preparation." I have about a one day supply of food and water in the refrigerator. Two maybe. I don't own a gun or any other survival gear, other than a sweatshirt and some grey tape. We have a Costco box of plastic bags.

But, in 2003, power was out for a matter of days, and I began to see the breakdown of the fabric of society beginning. It would not have been -- and I'm serious about this -- it would not have been more than a few weeks, and there would have been blood in the streets as folks went out in search of supplies to care for their families. Two or three months of that, and the US might not be able to be held together.

People are not prepared in the urban and suburban neighborhoods. And, when that toddler starts crying because he's hungry, and you've been boiling dirty water on a fire for 15 straight days (and now the fences in the neighborhood are all gone, having been used as fuel), dad is going to go out in search of food, water and fuel, and when it is his wife and children in need, he'll do whatever it takes.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Bert and Ernie", we'll call them, are pretty much your archetypical survival nuts. The show "Disaster Preppers", about survivalists, contact them and they promised to shoot them if they came on the property.

[Coito ergo sum]

"Bert and Ernie", we'll call them, are pretty much your archetypical survival nuts. The show "Disaster Preppers", about survivalists, contact them and they promised to shoot them if they came on the property.

Nice!

...they probably have some teenage girls caged up somewhere on the property...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Bert and Ernie", we'll call them, are pretty much your archetypical survival nuts. The show "Disaster Preppers", about survivalists, contact them and they promised to shoot them if they came on the property.

Nice!

...they probably have some teenage girls caged up somewhere on the property...

Couple of ugly hos come by once in a while, I think.

[Gallstones]

Excerpt from Guns, Germs and Steele by Jared Diamond.
Copyright 1997
Chapter 2 A Natural Experiment of History
Pages 53-54

On the Chatham Islands, 500 miles east of New Zealand, centuries of independence came to a brutal end for the Moriori people in December 1835. On November 19 of that year, a ship carrying 500 Maori armed with guns, clubs, and axes arrived, followed on December 5 by a shipload of 400 more Maori. Groups of Maori began to walk through Moriori settlements, announcing that the Moriori were now their slaves, and killing those who objected. An organized resistance by the Moriori could still then have defeated the Maori, who were outnumbered two to one. However, the Moriori had a tradition of resolving disputes peacefully. They decided in a council meeting not to fight back, but to offer peace, friendship, and a division of resources.

Before the Moriori could deliver that offer, the Maori attacked en masse. Over the course of the next few days, they killed hundreds of Moriori, cooked and ate many of the bodies, and enslaved all the others, killing most of them too over the next few years as it suited their whim.

A Maori conqueror explained, "We took possession...in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people. Not one escaped. Some ran away from us, these we killed, and others we killed--but what of that? It was in accordance with our custom."

IMO, anyone who believes that they can be safe because they presume to have the moral high ground, is laughably--maybe even tragically--naive.

Humans are still violent primates.

[Gallstones]

This has been going around the internet. My mother sent it to me.

A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS. THIS IS WHY I CARRY A PISTOL!

I received the below from a student, I don't know the validity of the claim that it's the story (and pictures) of a law enforcement officer, but the point it makes is a very good one...

Remember the 21 foot rule?

You may have seen this before, but the message is important enough to get it again --- and to remember that in 1983 Sgt. Dennis Tueller showed that:

• most handgun shooters have experience shooting at targets at 21 ft or 7 meters;
• the experienced handgun shooter can draw his/her gun and put two shots in a man-sized target at 21 ft in 1.5 seconds;
• and conversely a bad guy with a knife or blunt weapon can cover the 21 ft in 1.5 seconds;
• which makes 21 ft the danger zone and anything inside 21 ft life threatening

Ever wonder why cops shoot people armed with knives, broken bottles, glass shards, etc??

If an experienced (or drug crazed) knife fighter gets in close, you may not have the opportunity to use your handgun before he can do his damage. Remember the 21 foot rule? Well, don't forget the "Ego Rule" Below are photos of an officer trained in hand-to-hand combat. The officer figured that due to his size and fighting skills, he could disarm a knife wielding aggressor. He figured wrong!

Here is why I am forwarding these pictures. To all the idiots out there who always say, "Why did the cops have to shoot him? He only had a (insert your choice of weapons here, i.e. knife, bat, club, whatever). He didn't have to be shot. To that, I respond, "tough shit ... Shoot 'em". If an officer tells you to drop your weapon, just drop it. If you're a retard, stupid, on crack, mental or just "scared"... Too bad. No one deserves what this cop got for just doing his job. If you got a knife and are hell bent on using it, then you should die... Period. This is vivid proof of how deadly people who are "only armed with a knife" can be. Some of the public think that officers should try to disarm someone armed with a knife but anyone who has had training in knife fighting will tell you - even if you win you are going to get cut. Keep this in the back of your mind when confronting someone armed with an edged weapon.

Warning, very graphic image.

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The last person I killed had a knife. Bad idea.

[Coito ergo sum]

I've always thought that the coppers were justified in shooting knife-wielding assailants. Well, not just cops, actually. Anyone. Come at someone with a knife. If the victim has a gun, he ought to shoot the assailant in the face.

[MrJonno]

People are not prepared in the urban and suburban neighborhoods. And, when that toddler starts crying because he's hungry, and you've been boiling dirty water on a fire for 15 straight days (and now the fences in the neighborhood are all gone, having been used as fuel), dad is going to go out in search of food, water and fuel, and when it is his wife and children in need, he'll do whatever it takes.

So don't you think it might well be worth ensuring that adequate taxes are collected to fund goverment to ensure this never happens.
If government falls I die I know I can't survive merely relying on my own skills and lets be realistic neither can most people in any high density industralised nation. I know some people look forward to the zombie apocalyse where 99% of the population die on the basis they think they will be in the 1% but thats sociopaths for you

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's odd to think that if it ever really happens, which I doubt, Ayaan and I have space in a bunker. I guess having crazy friends is handy at times like that.

[Gallstones]

I've always thought that the coppers were justified in shooting knife-wielding assailants. Well, not just cops, actually. Anyone. Come at someone with a knife. If the victim has a gun, he ought to shoot the assailant in the face center of mass, AKA the chest.

How about if they come at you with a ball pein hammer?

[Gallstones]

People are not prepared in the urban and suburban neighborhoods. And, when that toddler starts crying because he's hungry, and you've been boiling dirty water on a fire for 15 straight days (and now the fences in the neighborhood are all gone, having been used as fuel), dad is going to go out in search of food, water and fuel, and when it is his wife and children in need, he'll do whatever it takes.

So don't you think it might well be worth ensuring that adequate taxes are collected to fund goverment to ensure this never happens.
If government falls I die I know I can't survive merely relying on my own skills and lets be realistic neither can most people in any high density industralised nation. I know some people look forward to the zombie apocalyse where 99% of the population die on the basis they think they will be in the 1% but thats sociopaths for you

How will pumping more money to "government" insure a failure of technology/infrastructure/security etc. never happens?

[Coito ergo sum]

It's odd to think that if it ever really happens, which I doubt, Ayaan and I have space in a bunker. I guess having crazy friends is handy at times like that.

I thought it over and figured that I wouldn't want to be in the bunker.

[Coito ergo sum]

I've always thought that the coppers were justified in shooting knife-wielding assailants. Well, not just cops, actually. Anyone. Come at someone with a knife. If the victim has a gun, he ought to shoot the assailant in the face center of mass, AKA the chest.

How about if they come at you with a ball pein hammer?

Shoot them. I don't put the onus on the victim to be fair with his or her attacker.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's odd to think that if it ever really happens, which I doubt, Ayaan and I have space in a bunker. I guess having crazy friends is handy at times like that.

I thought it over and figured that I wouldn't want to be in the bunker.

I will NEVER give up.