The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:09 pm

Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:
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Devogue wrote:What's fascist about saying no to unlimited immigration? :dono:

I wouldn't describe UKIP as extreme right wing. Their policies do address immigration, but specifically illegal immigration (which does not affect your friend) and there is nothing fascistic about them at all.

Its incredibly prickish, and anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so.
By anyone you must also mean any amount, but that would be nuts.

For instance, imagine an influx of ten or fifteen million people entering the UK in the next two years. The private sector is contracting and people are losing their jobs as it is, so where are these new arrivals going to work? Where are they going to live? The country would collapse under the pressure.

Immigration is generally a good thing, but I think a strict point system like New Zealand's is better than just opening the doors to everyone.
But lets suppose those fifteen million were working instead of British people. So what?
If there are jobs, healthcare, housing and education provisions for an influx of 15 million people then happy days, get them in.

But there aren't. The private sector is shrinking and there are less jobs for everyone here at the moment, both the indigenous and the immigrant population - the anecdotes about 500 people applying for a couple of jobs seem to be true (my ex sales assisitant told me this happened to her in Belfast).

But what are the chances of 15 million coming here, and furthermore, why would they come here if the situation is bad as you say it is?
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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by devogue » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:44 pm

Lozzer wrote: But what are the chances of 15 million coming here, and furthermore, why would they come here if the situation is bad as you say it is?
You said that anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so - I reckon that 15 million is a pretty conservative figure for the amount of people in impoverished parts of the world who would hot foot it to the UK if they were given a chance, but I agree that it would never come to that.

However, the economy is shrinking, unemployment is rising for everyone (ie not in a lazy British born versus industrious immigrant way), and public borrowing is going through the roof just to maintain our current public services. I think that more than ever the UK needs a skilled immigrant policy, where certain jobs are filled if there is no one in the country to do them. What it does not need is an open door policy where anyone with very little skills can come in to the country just because the standard of living here is higher.

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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:47 pm

Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote: But what are the chances of 15 million coming here, and furthermore, why would they come here if the situation is bad as you say it is?
You said that anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so - I reckon that 15 million is a pretty conservative figure for the amount of people in impoverished parts of the world who would hot foot it to the UK if they were given a chance, but I agree that it would never come to that.

However, the economy is shrinking, unemployment is rising for everyone (ie not in a lazy British born versus industrious immigrant way), and public borrowing is going through the roof just to maintain our current public services. I think that more than ever the UK needs a skilled immigrant policy, where certain jobs are filled if there is no one in the country to do them. What it does not need is an open door policy where anyone with very little skills can come in to the country just because the standard of living here is higher.

I agree to an extent, but its mainly skilled workers who come here anyway. Besides, I think immigration is a very enlightening thing. Being able to communicate and mix with people from different cultures is pretty awesome. My mates dad was a Soviet Russian soldier. Booyah.
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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by devogue » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:01 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote: But what are the chances of 15 million coming here, and furthermore, why would they come here if the situation is bad as you say it is?
You said that anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so - I reckon that 15 million is a pretty conservative figure for the amount of people in impoverished parts of the world who would hot foot it to the UK if they were given a chance, but I agree that it would never come to that.

However, the economy is shrinking, unemployment is rising for everyone (ie not in a lazy British born versus industrious immigrant way), and public borrowing is going through the roof just to maintain our current public services. I think that more than ever the UK needs a skilled immigrant policy, where certain jobs are filled if there is no one in the country to do them. What it does not need is an open door policy where anyone with very little skills can come in to the country just because the standard of living here is higher.

I agree to an extent, but its mainly skilled workers who come here anyway. Besides, I think immigration is a very enlightening thing. Being able to communicate and mix with people from different cultures is pretty awesome. My mates dad was a Soviet Russian soldier. Booyah.
I agree with you completely - immigration is brilliant but, like heroin, too much of a good thing can be bad for you.

I don't think your buddy has got too much to worry about in the UK anyway, much less than ethnic immigrants to Lithuania would anyway. ;)

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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:06 pm

Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote: But what are the chances of 15 million coming here, and furthermore, why would they come here if the situation is bad as you say it is?
You said that anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so - I reckon that 15 million is a pretty conservative figure for the amount of people in impoverished parts of the world who would hot foot it to the UK if they were given a chance, but I agree that it would never come to that.

However, the economy is shrinking, unemployment is rising for everyone (ie not in a lazy British born versus industrious immigrant way), and public borrowing is going through the roof just to maintain our current public services. I think that more than ever the UK needs a skilled immigrant policy, where certain jobs are filled if there is no one in the country to do them. What it does not need is an open door policy where anyone with very little skills can come in to the country just because the standard of living here is higher.

I agree to an extent, but its mainly skilled workers who come here anyway. Besides, I think immigration is a very enlightening thing. Being able to communicate and mix with people from different cultures is pretty awesome. My mates dad was a Soviet Russian soldier. Booyah.
I agree with you completely - immigration is brilliant but, like heroin, too much of a good thing can be bad for you.

I don't think your buddy has got too much to worry about in the UK anyway, much less than ethnic immigrants to Lithuania would anyway. ;)
Indeed, and lol.

We had an immigrant war at my college a while ago. A Lithuanian kid called my Portuguese friend a 'black bastard'. It was fun!
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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by devogue » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:08 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote: But what are the chances of 15 million coming here, and furthermore, why would they come here if the situation is bad as you say it is?
You said that anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so - I reckon that 15 million is a pretty conservative figure for the amount of people in impoverished parts of the world who would hot foot it to the UK if they were given a chance, but I agree that it would never come to that.

However, the economy is shrinking, unemployment is rising for everyone (ie not in a lazy British born versus industrious immigrant way), and public borrowing is going through the roof just to maintain our current public services. I think that more than ever the UK needs a skilled immigrant policy, where certain jobs are filled if there is no one in the country to do them. What it does not need is an open door policy where anyone with very little skills can come in to the country just because the standard of living here is higher.

I agree to an extent, but its mainly skilled workers who come here anyway. Besides, I think immigration is a very enlightening thing. Being able to communicate and mix with people from different cultures is pretty awesome. My mates dad was a Soviet Russian soldier. Booyah.
I agree with you completely - immigration is brilliant but, like heroin, too much of a good thing can be bad for you.

I don't think your buddy has got too much to worry about in the UK anyway, much less than ethnic immigrants to Lithuania would anyway. ;)
Indeed, and lol.

We had an immigrant war at my college a while ago. A Lithuanian kid called my Portuguese friend a 'black bastard'. It was fun!
What did the Portuguese one do?

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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:34 pm

He threatened him. Well he kind of threatened him. He told another Lithuanian kid to translate. That's all he did though, he's a bit of a pussy to be fair./
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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by devogue » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:11 pm

Lozzer wrote:He threatened him. Well he kind of threatened him. He told another Lithuanian kid to translate. That's all he did though, he's a bit of a pussy to be fair./
Did the other Lithuanian kid translate with a suitably snarly tone?

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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:16 pm

Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote:He threatened him. Well he kind of threatened him. He told another Lithuanian kid to translate. That's all he did though, he's a bit of a pussy to be fair./
Did the other Lithuanian kid translate with a suitably snarly tone?

It was Ed lol. Nah he sounded rather sympathetic.
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Post by ScholasticSpastic » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:42 pm

What's with all this bullshit about immigrants using up jobs? It's not as if jobs were a static resource like arable land or mineral wealth. Jobs tend to increase or decrease with population and affluence. Generally, unless you import only the poorest immigrants, jobs will increase as immigration increases. Immigrants buy groceries, wear clothing, and want giant, wall-mounted plasma flat-screen televisions. They usually won't have the resources to make all these things themselves. They will buy them, increasing traffic at local retail stores, creating a broad enough customer base to open new stores, and providing sufficient revenue for existing stores to hire more people.

Immigrants don't come to our countries to live like they did back home. They come to our countries to live like we do. They are good consumers- some of them are even better consumers than our natural-born citizens. Immigrants are not a threat to economic well-being. Claims to the contrary are thinly-veiled racism.
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:51 pm

ScholasticSpastic wrote:What's with all this bullshit about immigrants using up jobs? It's not as if jobs were a static resource like arable land or mineral wealth. Jobs tend to increase or decrease with population and affluence. Generally, unless you import only the poorest immigrants, jobs will increase as immigration increases. Immigrants buy groceries, wear clothing, and want giant, wall-mounted plasma flat-screen televisions. They usually won't have the resources to make all these things themselves. They will buy them, increasing traffic at local retail stores, creating a broad enough customer base to open new stores, and providing sufficient revenue for existing stores to hire more people.

Immigrants don't come to our countries to live like they did back home. They come to our countries to live like we do. They are good consumers- some of them are even better consumers than our natural-born citizens. Immigrants are not a threat to economic well-being. Claims to the contrary are thinly-veiled racism.
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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Mallardz » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:52 pm

Oh pick me i think I have a photo of the billboard me and my friends happened to find it rather funny!
We were rather hoping to find a BNP that would have been funny.

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