I am the 53%.

[Coito ergo sum]

Screedy, screedy man. The point was that there are few jobs to be had, and "Any job." could wind up as being a job that pays less than it takes to keep alive. Twenty hours a week at a Wal-mart 45 miles away? Won't pay for the gas and still give you enough to feed the family. That fucker is simply arrogant.

Isn't any job better than unemployment compensation? And, screedy? That's my experience of it. You get up against it, and you fucking figure it out. And, frankly, after growing up with my parents (immigrants who in the 1960s came to the US with a little change in their pockets, goin' jingle-ingle-ingle), my uncle, who joined the merchant marines when he was 16 years old in the 1950s and made it to the US. My various immigrant (including some illegal immigrant) friends who struggled to get here because they longed for the OPPORTUNITY to do what many Americans complain about... I find it hard to reconcile my life experience with the 99%-er-OWS-er positions. I don't identify with them.

I identify more with this sentiment:



"Tomorrow's gettin' harder, make no mistake
Luck ain't even lucky, gotta make you're own breaks"

"Better stand tall when they're callin' you out
Don't bend don't break, baby, don't back down."


Or, one can quit because it's hard. Either way.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you get a job for 50% of what you need to live on, is that better than unemployment?

I'm really getting sick of this "every person who is unemployed is a lazy cocksucking bastard" meme.

[Audley Strange]

If anyone is looking for a job in a tough climate, may I suggest they get together and do a bank job. Dillinger style, not Paulson style.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If anyone is looking for a job in a tough climate, may I suggest they get together and do a bank job. Dillinger style, not Paulson style.

"My advice, rob liquor stores. The hours are good, the pay is excellent, and the "retirement plan" is comprehensive."

[Coito ergo sum]

If you get a job for 50% of what you need to live on, is that better than unemployment?

I'm really getting sick of this "every person who is unemployed is a lazy cocksucking bastard" meme.

I think you're hearing something that nobody (or hardly anyone) actually says. Who says "every person who is unemployed is a lazy cocksucking bastard?"

From my perspective, if someone says "there are no jobs out there," I can show that assertion to be demonstrably wrong. Certainly in my area of Florida, it is quite simply not true. Are the jobs one's first choice? Can't promise that, but they are jobs.

No, if a job would pay 50% of what you need to live on, then it is not better than unemployment (depending, of course, on what the level of "need" we're talking about is). But, at some point, if the only jobs available are for $10 an hour, then one better adjust to it, and work overtime. Or, ought unemployment compensation be perpetual, such that there is never a need to apply for any more jobs? Just get unemployment, food stamps and other public assistance ad infinitum, until the ideal job shows up?

[Coito ergo sum]

If anyone is looking for a job in a tough climate, may I suggest they get together and do a bank job. Dillinger style, not Paulson style.

Or, get a job at a bank. That industry is expanding, and they're often looking for tellers. Pay starts off low, but generally you can move from teller to the bank floor in a year or two, and start making commissions.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you get a job for 50% of what you need to live on, is that better than unemployment?

I'm really getting sick of this "every person who is unemployed is a lazy cocksucking bastard" meme.

I think you're hearing something that nobody (or hardly anyone) actually says. Who says "every person who is unemployed is a lazy cocksucking bastard?"

From my perspective, if someone says "there are no jobs out there," I can show that assertion to be demonstrably wrong. Certainly in my area of Florida, it is quite simply not true. Are the jobs one's first choice? Can't promise that, but they are jobs.

No, if a job would pay 50% of what you need to live on, then it is not better than unemployment (depending, of course, on what the level of "need" we're talking about is). But, at some point, if the only jobs available are for $10 an hour, then one better adjust to it, and work overtime. Or, ought unemployment compensation be perpetual, such that there is never a need to apply for any more jobs? Just get unemployment, food stamps and other public assistance ad infinitum, until the ideal job shows up?

I didn't say you said it, but that's what the letter in the OP implied. You read it as a majestic, informative piece no doubt. I read it as a whiny temper tantrum from some smug bastard.

[Audley Strange]

If you get a job for 50% of what you need to live on, is that better than unemployment?

I'm really getting sick of this "every person who is unemployed is a lazy cocksucking bastard" meme.

I agree with that to an extent, but only to the extent that I'm also getting sick of "every person who is unemployed is a victim of others and is keen upstanding member of the community who wants a break."

Truth is there are a lot of lazy cunts with a sense of entitlement and there are a lot of people who'd rather be working than not, but it's not always economically feasible.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If anyone is looking for a job in a tough climate, may I suggest they get together and do a bank job. Dillinger style, not Paulson style.

Or, get a job at a bank. That industry is expanding, and they're often looking for tellers. Pay starts off low, but generally you can move from teller to the bank floor in a year or two, and start making commissions.

Low is an understatement. Plus it's easy to apply for a job, but when 5,000 other people apply too you get nothing.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you get a job for 50% of what you need to live on, is that better than unemployment?

I'm really getting sick of this "every person who is unemployed is a lazy cocksucking bastard" meme.

I agree with that to an extent, but only to the extent that I'm also getting sick of "every person who is unemployed is a victim of others and is keen upstanding member of the community who wants a break."

Truth is there are a lot of lazy cunts with a sense of entitlement and there are a lot of people who'd rather be working than not, but it's not always economically feasible.

"a lot"? Got some numbers?

[Audley Strange]

If anyone is looking for a job in a tough climate, may I suggest they get together and do a bank job. Dillinger style, not Paulson style.

Or, get a job at a bank. That industry is expanding, and they're often looking for tellers. Pay starts off low, but generally you can move from teller to the bank floor in a year or two, and start making commissions.

Yeah, been there, done that, fuck that.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Get a job for $5.75 an hour. Child care $5.00 an hour. Guess what?

[Audley Strange]

If you get a job for 50% of what you need to live on, is that better than unemployment?

I'm really getting sick of this "every person who is unemployed is a lazy cocksucking bastard" meme.

I agree with that to an extent, but only to the extent that I'm also getting sick of "every person who is unemployed is a victim of others and is keen upstanding member of the community who wants a break."

Truth is there are a lot of lazy cunts with a sense of entitlement and there are a lot of people who'd rather be working than not, but it's not always economically feasible.

"a lot"? Got some numbers?

Don't need numbers G. All I need to do is look out my fucking window. Between the gangs of youths milling about street corners and the mobs of men using pubs and bookies like day hostels, I'd say that's a lot.

Unless you meant the latter, which actually no, I have little evidence for other than I know a couple of people who are looking for work and finding it difficult.

[Audley Strange]

Get a job for $5.75 an hour. Child care $5.00 an hour. Guess what?

Get rid of the kid, its an unaffordable burden?

[Coito ergo sum]

If anyone is looking for a job in a tough climate, may I suggest they get together and do a bank job. Dillinger style, not Paulson style.

Or, get a job at a bank. That industry is expanding, and they're often looking for tellers. Pay starts off low, but generally you can move from teller to the bank floor in a year or two, and start making commissions.

Low is an understatement. Plus it's easy to apply for a job, but when 5,000 other people apply too you get nothing.

So, what then? Don't apply? Fuck it?

I don't get that - look - my significant other, SWMBO'd - immigrant from a south American country - acquired a job 18 months ago at the absolute height of the "Great Recession" and it took her about a month. She worked her tail off, and hunted everywhere -- city jobs, county jobs, banking and finance industry employers, elsewhere, and she nailed it. She didn't whine about the number of other candidates, she went out there and grabbed each opportunity by the throat and got it. Fuck - a third world immigrant can knock it out of the park. And, I made mention of bank teller, because that's where SWMBO'd started out a few years back. She "did what she had to do." And, it's a far more attractive quality than "it's so hard."