John Lennon: Closet Republican

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Re: John Lennon: Closet Republican

Post by Cormac » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:39 pm

MarkS wrote:I think it's been obvious for years that Lennon could be a right twat at times, despite making the best popular music of C20th. He was intelligent, gullible, nasty, generous etc. and was always taking the piss. He was especially vulnerable to father figures and was serially disappointed by and disillusioned with them. If this is in any way true, maybe Reagan was just one more. Didn't Neil Young get Republican at one point?
Which is ironic, because, ostensibly, he wasn't the best father to his own children.

A bit of a self-centred twat really.
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Re: John Lennon: Closet Republican

Post by Tero » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:52 pm

I dropped Neil when he went patriotic and supported wars. I'll play the old stuff only.

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Re: John Lennon: Closet Republican

Post by Audley Strange » Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:14 am

If I'm honest, which I'm rarely ever, I'd have to say that Lennon wasn't half as talented as he thought he was and that he was an acid casualty with pretensions of being some kind of great artist/revolutionary. He wrote a handful of okay songs in his 20's with McCartney because they were playing a game of one-upmanship with each other which were made more memorable by a spectacular producer. Almost the entirety of his solo stuff, like McCartney's is dreadful. That he was a supporter of Reagan doesn't surprise me, he was a rich, mollycoddled brain damaged manchild who sold out many of his friends and supporters of the naive social movement, so he had a lot in common with that fucking bumbling snitch Reagan.
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Re: John Lennon: Closet Republican

Post by Svartalf » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:20 pm

Was he even a US citizen that he can be given an affiliation?
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Re: John Lennon: Closet Republican

Post by Robert_S » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:36 pm

Orwellian wrote:
"I also saw John embark in some really brutal arguments with my uncle, who's an old-time communist... He enjoyed really provoking my uncle... Maybe he was being provocative... but it was pretty obvious to me he had moved away from his earlier radicalism.

"He was a very different person back in 1979 and 80 than he'd been when he wrote Imagine. By 1979 he looked back on that guy and was embarrassed by that guy's naivete."
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I'll be updating the Party news sources accordingly. John Lennon died a Republican. John Lennon was always a Republican.
maybe he, like me, tended to argue from a bit to the right of his own position when encountering a hard-core ideologue with a position to the left of his.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: John Lennon: Closet Republican

Post by Gallstones » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:12 pm

MarkS wrote:I think it's been obvious for years that Lennon could be a right twat at times, despite making the best popular music of C20th. He was intelligent, gullible, nasty, generous etc. and was always taking the piss. He was especially vulnerable to father figures and was serially disappointed by and disillusioned with them. If this is in any way true, maybe Reagan was just one more. Didn't Neil Young get Republican at one point?
You can support this assertion--objectively? :smug:
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Re: John Lennon: Closet Republican

Post by Gallstones » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:14 pm

MarkS wrote:Ah but he also said that anyone could be a genius.
If he meant it he was deluded or high at the time.
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Re: John Lennon: Closet Republican

Post by MarkS » Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:08 pm

Gallstones wrote:
MarkS wrote:I think it's been obvious for years that Lennon could be a right twat at times, despite making the best popular music of C20th. He was intelligent, gullible, nasty, generous etc. and was always taking the piss. He was especially vulnerable to father figures and was serially disappointed by and disillusioned with them. If this is in any way true, maybe Reagan was just one more. Didn't Neil Young get Republican at one point?
You can support this assertion--objectively? :smug:
It's self-evident ;)
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MarkS wrote:Ah but he also said that anyone could be a genius.
If he meant it he was deluded or high at the time.
Define "genius"
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